"Read the Room" and stick to the subject

Hope it goes OK tomorrow theworriedwell .

some of them crossed themselves as they placed their candles, which led me to believe that they were probably Polish
Yes, I believe that the Poland that existed before WW2 was multi-ethnic, so some of the prisoners would have come from faiths other than Judaism. That is why many in Poland focus on the non-Jewish victims.
If I remember correctly, I read only one inappropriate comment on the other thread, to do with Trump being a modern Hitler? Otherwise, all posts were written in a respectful and reflective manner, nobody resenting the focus on any particular group's suffering.

ferry23

I've just said that I apologise for omitting some other groups. My thoughts still remain the same.

Babs03 - you don't know what the thread is trying to achieve? I'm sorry, I thought SM was about expressing views, I didn't know I should have an end goal.

I thought some of the posts were inappropriate. Excuse me for voicing my opinion.

You are free to express your views and so are others posting even if they aren’t aligned. That’s how these groups work.

In a real room full of people, you are never going to get every single person talking about the original subject. Try it one day. Doesn't happen.

If a thread has nothing to do with this subject- it should not be highjacked either.

I do think that Angela Rayner's post was inapropriate because,

Firstly, it was a classic example of virtue signalling, saying essentially. 'I know this is a day specifically dedicated to remembering the many millions who died in the Holocaust, the majority Jewish people, but my mind is so high that I think we should think of all the other people who have ever died as the result of prejudice. I am sorry today is a day specifically set aside to remember those who died in the Holocaust, there are 364 other days in the year, when she can think of all the rest.

The second reason I am left very uncomfortable about this post is because it once again illustrates the deep discomfort felt in the Labour party about anti-semitism. Under Jeremy Corbyn the anti-semites had a field day and I think that Angela Rayners. touchy feely, or should I say, touchy feeble message was because she felt uneasy about seeing to say anything that might anger the anti-semites still in the party.

As a Labour Party member since 1963 I left the Labour Party
when Corbyn stood for a second term, the first was difficult enough

M0nica

I do think that Angela Rayner's post was inapropriate because,

Firstly, it was a classic example of virtue signalling, saying essentially. 'I know this is a day specifically dedicated to remembering the many millions who died in the Holocaust, the majority Jewish people, but my mind is so high that I think we should think of all the other people who have ever died as the result of prejudice. I am sorry today is a day specifically set aside to remember those who died in the Holocaust, there are 364 other days in the year, when she can think of all the rest.

The second reason I am left very uncomfortable about this post is because it once again illustrates the deep discomfort felt in the Labour party about anti-semitism. Under Jeremy Corbyn the anti-semites had a field day and I think that Angela Rayners. touchy feely, or should I say, touchy feeble message was because she felt uneasy about seeing to say anything that might anger the anti-semites still in the party.

You say exactly what I felt too.
Also I understand exactly where Ferry23 is coming from as there are several posts about Gaza on those threads.
The day is for remembering what happened to mainly Jews in Nazi Germany and the death camps.Anyone Jewish understands that as do many other religions.I expected the usual posters and Palestinian supporters would put an oar in tho, not even allowing one day.

Angela Rayner is deputy PM, the PM we’re paying tribute to those who died in the holocaust, the King was in Poland paying
tribute to those who died in the Holocaust

I agree with MOnica, Ferry and Oreo

foxie48 has already posted part of the introduction from the official Holocaust Memorial site. This is the rest of it (my bold):

"The Holocaust Memorial Day Trust encourages remembrance in a world scarred by prejudice and systematic, targeted persecution. We promote and support Holocaust Memorial Day - the international day on 27 January. The Holocaust is central to Holocaust Memorial Day and we remember the 6 million Jews murdered during the Holocaust. We also commemorate the millions more people murdered through the Nazi persecution of other groups and in the more recent genocides recognised by the UK government, and the genocide in Darfur.

You can find out more about the Holocaust, Nazi persecution of other groups, more recent genocides recognised by the UK government, and the genocide in Darfur here.

Holocaust Memorial Day is a time when we seek to learn the lessons of the past and recognise that genocide does not just take place on its own – it’s a steady process which can begin if discrimination, racism and hatred are not checked and prevented. Discrimination has not ended, nor has the use of the language of hatred or exclusion. There is still much to do to create a safer future and HMD is an opportunity to start this process.

It is not true that Holocaust Memorial Day only remembers the victims of the Nazi genocide.

This is also from the same official site:

"On Holocaust Memorial Day, we remember the 6 million Jews murdered in the Holocaust, and the millions of people killed under Nazi persecution of other groups, and during more recent genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur, and the Yazidi genocide.

The Holocaust was a terrible and defining episode of the twentieth century, which undoubtedly changed the course of history.

After the Holocaust, the international community adopted a legal definition of the crime of ‘genocide’. They wanted to make sure that never again would the crimes of the Holocaust be allowed to happen.

However, in the years following the Holocaust, genocide has continued to be carried out. On Holocaust Memorial Day we remember the 6 million Jews murdered during the Holocaust, alongside the millions of other people killed under Nazi persecution of other groups and during more recent genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur, and the Yazidi genocide.

More recent genocides represent a failure of humanity to learn from the Holocaust and are a reminder for all of us that we must be prepared to guard against genocide happening again in the future."

Angela Raynor's tweet doesn't mention Jews. and that is what is wrong with Raynor's tweet for Holocaust memorial day.
( or perhaps because she doesn't want to upset her core constituents?)
Or simply this could be the first step to wiping them Jews out. As in look ! there is nobody there !!!
get people used to hearing more about other groups of peoples untils Jews won't need to be mentioned anymore.

maddyone

I only saw Angela Rayner’s tweet here on GN as I don’t do Twitter/X. It seems an entirely appropriate tweet to me.

I don't do X either so that is the first time I've seen it.

It seems respectful and thoughtful.

Ranvir Singh has had to apologise for her remarks in Good Britain where she mentioned different groups that were killed in the Holocaust but failed to mention Jews.

pinkquartz

Angela Raynor's tweet doesn't mention Jews. and that is what is wrong with Raynor's tweet for Holocaust memorial day.
( or perhaps because she doesn't want to upset her core constituents?)
Or simply this could be the first step to wiping them Jews out. As in look ! there is nobody there !!!
get people used to hearing more about other groups of peoples untils Jews won't need to be mentioned anymore.

Sorry, but I think that's ridiculous. It's nothing to do with wiping out Jews. Her tweet included victims of all genocides, which is consistent with the official site.

Kate1949

Ranvir Singh has had to apologise for her remarks in Good Britain where she mentioned different groups that were killed in the Holocaust but failed to mention Jews.

That's different from not singling out any particular group of victims, which AR didn't.

Video of a Raniv Singh on uTube reeling of several groups but
no mention of Jews, yes let’s not speak of Jews and people will
forget

I am sincerely heartened by the 'change' in posts. Too many people are wanting to brush under the carpet and whitewash 'Holocaust Day'. All the more need to speak out.

There were no posts about Holocaust Memorial Day from the Reform Party.

drafonfly46

'Today is Holocaust Memorial Day, 80 years on from the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

We remember the six million Jewish victims, and all those who lost their lives in the Holocaust.'

Nigel Farage

True, succinct and poignant.

That was actually a general post from the Reform Party so apologies. It was reposted by Farage.

'True, succinct and poignant'. - Reform Party

Dreadfully sad that so many people are upset by 'it'.

love0c

'True, succinct and poignant'. - Reform Party

Dreadfully sad that so many people are upset by 'it'.

Who is upset by it?

How on earth can you "whitewash" Holocaust Memorial Day? If you go to the official site, it mentions not only the 6 million Jews and the other groups murdered by the Nazis, but also those killed in the genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur. AR's post was absolutely in harmony with the official site and showed a deeper understanding of the purpose of the day than some seem to show.
I haven't been to any of the Holocaust sites but my daughter has and she was deeply affected by her visit. She's also been to the killing fields in Cambodia and was equally horrified. I doubt she thinks that a child gassed at Auschwitz should be remembered and mourned any more or less than a child beaten to death against a tree in Cambodia and neither do I. Lighting candles is all very well but educating yourself and those near to you about the 10 steps to genocide is probably more effective in preventing more genocides. Don't leave it to the schools it's our responsibility especially as there is Holocaust denial material freely available online.

Clearly many people on here are queuing up to argue and split hairs on the meaning of and remembering 'Holocaust Day'. I find it abhorrent. I will not return.