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Is it a fine line between communism and egalitarianism?

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Sago Sat 01-Feb-25 13:53:38

Just read an interesting article on Norways current government, they are not popular, growth is being stifled in every area except green energy and oil and gas.

Entrepreneurs are leaving and it’s becoming harder for businesses to grow.
This is due to hefty wealth taxes.

Everyone’s salary in Norway is a matter of public record!

Is it becoming more communist than egalitarian?

Is this the way we are heading under Starmers Britain?

Wyllow3 The article is from todays DT.

Eloethan Sat 01-Feb-25 16:46:06

It means we would expect nothing less from the Daily Telegraph.

I expect Norway is not immune from the sorts of economic, social and climate issues that beset the rest of the world. But, on balance, it appears they are not doing too badly as compared to some countries.

Ilovecheese Sat 01-Feb-25 16:50:29

M0nica

Ilovecheese

Norway cares about the people who live there and they care about the future of our planet. So of course the DT is going to criticise.

That is not a contribution to a serious discussion it is merely a statement of prejudice. Have you read the article?

I think what it is, is that the Daily Telegraph has overdone it with the constant criticism of the new Government. I am no fan of Starmer but they just keep producing article after article to fearmonger.

This has lead, I am afraid to me treating anything they produce with less respect that I might have done in the past when I regarded them as a serious newspaper, even though I disagreed with their politics.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 01-Feb-25 17:10:44

The Telegraph has done more than constantly criticised.

It has knowingly misinformed its readers.

M0nica Sat 01-Feb-25 17:24:05

I have actually read the article on Norway published in the DT today. It was a descriptionof what is happening in Norway at the moment. It offered no opinions, just facts.

As I have said before, I do not think anyone is going to accuse me of being right wing in my thinking, I am broadly left-of-centre, nevertheless I try very hard to be objective in my political judgments, as in everything else, and I find, once you get past the politics in both the notriously Comservative supporting Dt and DM, the quality of journalism and the depth far excedes that found in The Guardian and the DM

Cossy Sat 01-Feb-25 17:32:12

Eloethan

A year or so ago - maybe longer - I watched the Norwegian drama State of Happiness (I think it is being re-shown on on one of the channels). I admit to not knowing a lot about the global oil industry and it was interesting to see that the Norwegians stuck to their guns and ensured that their oil industry was controlled by them and not by the Americans who were making a play for it.

I believe sectors that provide essential services and which require more of a focus on the needs of the country as a whole, rather than the demands of shareholders, should be nationalised. We have seen the disaster made of privatised, and allegedly "competitive" private water and transport provision. That is not to support communism but to provide protection against those who would squeeze every penny out of the public purse without providing even a basic level of service.

I couldn’t agree more grin

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 01-Feb-25 19:52:28

This is not the view of my family who live in Norway.
It's a mixed economy with, indeed, high taxes and a very robust welfare state, but everyone receives a fair share of the wealth.
The price of electricity, for example,frequently dips to very low ( arranged by the government)
This is important, because there is no gas for the home market, as the infrastructure/ geography makes this too difficult.
There are high incentives for new heating to be via a heat exchanger, or ground source pump.
Entrepreneurs may leave any country, but I have not heard of Norway having a particular problem with this.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 01-Feb-25 19:55:49

Oh, and they do build toll roads and tunnels- they're big in tunnels(!) - until the cost has been recouped, then these become free again. Is this communism, socialism, or just a good way to treat it's citizens?

petra Sat 01-Feb-25 20:07:45

Chocolatelovinggn
That’s what the uk were promised when they built the first Dartford tunnel crossing.
It never happened.

Sago Sat 01-Feb-25 20:26:14

Is it right that your salary is public knowledge?

Our son who lives and works in Norway has never had anyone look up his salary but he knows people who have!

Wyllow3 Sat 01-Feb-25 20:41:18

Sago

Is it right that your salary is public knowledge?

Our son who lives and works in Norway has never had anyone look up his salary but he knows people who have!

Nothing new here tho we might find it strange - DT trying to do a shock horror job

but

For more than 200 years Norwegians have been able to see how much their fellow citizens earn and how much tax they pay

Overnight on a date in October, income tax returns are posted online, allowing neighbours and colleagues to peer into one another's financial affairs

However, since 2014, if you look up someone’s data, they will be sent an email notification informing them of the fact – with the exception of the Norwegian media.

There are other limits: the data only reveals your total income and your total tax paid. So if you have various sources of income, this isn’t broken down.

The thought of anyone being able to find out what you earn is enough to make many people uncomfortable, but for Norwegians it’s not unusual. “It’s been in place a very long time and is generally accepted by the people of Norway”

www.weforum.org/stories/2016/04/norway-can-see-everyones-tax-returns/#:~:text=For%20more%20than%20200%20years,into%20one%20another's%20financial%20affairs.

M0nica Sat 01-Feb-25 23:20:46

Having worked mainly in big companies where every job is graded and all grades and salary boundaries were available on most noticeboards, for most of my life all my work colleagues knew how much I earned, to a couple of hundred pounds, although not how much tax I paid and I knew how much they earned.