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Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

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kittylester Sun 29-Jun-25 18:35:51

I am horrified to have been told, in the last couple of days, that Rod Stewart's music should not be listened to because he supports reform and to stop watching Eastenders and read a library book.

Well, I watched Rod Stewart and am still an SDP supporter - if they only still existed!

And, the library in our village is a very successfully run community library which i helped transition from Council control -between watching episodes of Eastenders.

For goodness sake - get a grip some of you!

nanna8 Mon 30-Jun-25 11:05:15

If I wanted to I could actually vote in the British elections as I still have citizenship. I am interested in the mess that is British politics just now because I was born and bred there and have relatives there, including a brother in law and sister in law. I am also very interested in American and New Zealand politics because I have relatives there, too. Is that a crime ? I have never, ever,said Australia is perfect , it certainly isn’t . I voted the current mob in but they are not crash hot, lots of things they do I wouldn’t but then I’m not a politician. If people don’t like comments from overseas, feel free to ignore he , I wouldn’t be offended in any way.

Allira Mon 30-Jun-25 11:08:01

LizzieDrip

^Well, nanna8 has been told that she really has no right to comment on British politics because she lives in Australia^

Yes, those (few) comments have been made openly by posters. I may have been one and I stand by that view in relation to some of nanna’s views regarding UK politics. That’s just disagreement🤷‍♀️

However, I’m not aware of nanna being reported for her view - unless I’ve missed something.

No, I don't know if she has or not, but she gets told off! 😁

Magenta8 Mon 30-Jun-25 11:17:07

I have been dipping in and out of GN for a few years now and I don't feel the intolerance is any better or any worse. These days bitter experience means that I mainly go on the Games Forum or stick to mostly anodyne comments. I daren't say any more.

Oreo Mon 30-Jun-25 11:20:23

Magenta8

I have been dipping in and out of GN for a few years now and I don't feel the intolerance is any better or any worse. These days bitter experience means that I mainly go on the Games Forum or stick to mostly anodyne comments. I daren't say any more.

Be yourself, within the guidelines and away with anodyne comments😃

MaizieD Mon 30-Jun-25 11:23:33

Such an interesting thread.

Your posts about your Ascot thread interested me, Usedtobeblonde so I went to have a look.

If it's any consolation, the rude acerbic poster clearly doesn't know much about the racehorse industry grin

I don't think Gnet has changed much since I joined about 9 years ago, it's always been subject to a bit of cliqueyness, ganging up on particular posters, squabbles and bossiness (like in a school playground). I was a bit shocked at first, being used to more polite forums, but got used to it (and admit to going a bit OTT myself at times)

There have been some odd deletions/bannings in the past few years, though.

AGAA4 Mon 30-Jun-25 11:39:43

I do brave the N & P forum and don't think it's any worse than it used to be.
I find most posters are reasonable on there with some occasional snippy comments if they aren't agreed with.

We mustn't forget there are some lovely, kind grans on here and big thank you to them.

Samsara1 Mon 30-Jun-25 11:48:46

Well saidkittylester I certainly hope no-one has been rude to you who is unfailingly pleasant and well balanced. A pleasure to know you. Fancy a cuppa some time soon?

Anniebach Mon 30-Jun-25 12:00:48

This I don’t understand, Harry and Megan are disliked by some, like by some, but why is any criticism of them described
as a hatefest, this by a few posters who don’t criticise other threads.

nanna8 Mon 30-Jun-25 12:13:24

H and M have disappeared off the radar a bit lately. I suppose with Iran and Trump etc we have more important things to discuss. I find the different views about that interesting though lately most of us seem to agree . A nasty situation, threatening the peace and security of all of us. I was thinking Tasmania is looking good for a far flung retreat.

Anniebach Mon 30-Jun-25 12:20:47

Disagree is acceptable but accused of hatefest is not

nanna8 Mon 30-Jun-25 12:27:21

They are boring Anniebach . I haven’t come across any hatefests, either.Just in the eyes of the beholder, perhaps ?

Doodledog Mon 30-Jun-25 12:38:47

I'm another who is used to more 'robust' boards, and on the whole find GN more polite than not. There is, IMO, far more passive aggression than outright aggression on here, so I was quite shocked at some of the posts around the time of the GE as it was very out of character for the GN I know.

Re the right and left thing - I don't think I have seen extremes on either wing on here. There are Labour and Tory voters, (and now those who intend to vote Reform) as well as Greens and Lib Dems, but not much (if any) Fascism or Communism. I suspect that most people see themselves as reasonable centrists, and therefore anyone who leans one way or the other more obviously than they do (or think they do) is a 'loony leftie' or on the 'rabid right'. As a generalisation, I think that there are people on both the left and right who are given to authoritarianism. The difference is that on the left it is usually more about theory and dogma (hence the long explanations and requests for evidence) and on the right it is more of a 'because I/he/she say(s) so' and a belief that the speaker 'has the facts' so there is no need to provide any. Anyway, we still have democracy, which means we have to live with the fact that others disagree with us politically.

I also think that there can be a tendency for people to think that any disagreement with their point of view is a personal attack. Disagreement is not personal, and I sometimes wonder if those claiming it is ever have discussions 'in real life', or if they just expect to have the last word.

Generally, I am in favour of leaving nasty posts for others to see. They form a picture of a poster and others can see for themselves what they are like. If posts are deleted nobody knows if it is because of an over-zealous reporter or because the post really was a personal attack or whatever. I do feel that whilst there are posters I miss, HQ can't allow some to stay because they are popular and ban others for lack of a vocal following. There are others I miss who have left of their own volition because of what seems to me obvious hounding by people who are never pulled up for their behaviour (or don't appear to - it's impossible to tell).

I think a lot of the problem is that the 'rules' are so vague. 'The spirit of GN' is meaningless, and there is no obvious protocol for what happens if someone is suspended or banned. I realise that if a first offence is particularly awful the mods have to act, but I'm talking about people who routinely upset others without crossing into illegality. HQ have posted that there are talks behind the scenes and various stages before someone is banned, but they don't explain what they are or how they are implemented. It would also be interesting to know whether posters can be banned for vexatious reporting, although anonymity would make that tricky, I suppose. We know that lurkers also report people they don't like. Does HQ check the posting history of a reporter before adjudicating? It seems daft to act on the sayso of someone who contributes nothing but wants to get a regular poster banned.

LauraNorderr Mon 30-Jun-25 13:03:32

I am in full agreement with Doodledog that all posts should stand so that we, mature, experienced, intelligent gransnetters may judge for ourselves.
Anyone who was deliberately nasty or spiteful would be ignored or brought to book by others.
Banning should only occur where foul language is used or where incitement to hatred is obvious.
Where comments are reported and moderators remove them I would like to see a clear explanation given. Eg this post was deemed to be a personal insult because….or this post has used hate speech.
I also feel that criticism of ‘deliberately goady posts’ is a bit daft. IMO they draw attention and stimulate interest, provoke discussion. Isn’t that what it’s all about.
Walk on by if strong discussion doesn’t appeal to you.
I would really like to see an amnesty for all previously banned posters and a doing away with the idea that because we are of a certain age we can’t cope with a bit of argybargy.

LauraNorderr Mon 30-Jun-25 13:11:01

Furthermore, I do not agree with FGTs political views, wouldn’t vote for Reform, find Trump to be a dangerous man BUT
(Not shouting just emphasising) find FGT to be one of the kindest and most supportive of posters, she has helped so many through tough times with compassion and great sincerity. Now when she needs us most..,
No compassion shown by the person who has reported her, hope they have a conscience and are feeling regret.

Magenta8 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:16:58

Here goes.....In my opinion, GN hit an all time low with the thread about the Deputy Prime Minister's clothes last July (2024). There were 1,000 posts including one that stated that she "looked like a tart". Admittedly, not all the posts were critical of the DPM but a large number chose to denigrate her and to vilify any posters who defended her.

I don't know if I have contravened GN rules by alluding to a previous post; please feel free to report me if I have.

HelterSkelter1 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:19:18

Doodledog. On the advice of a Gran I self reported my post and asked HQ for confirmation of what are the reasons for a suspension or ban. They came back and confirmed it wasnt on the basis of a single trangression or reporting but in a series of infringements.
You could report your own post above and ask for more information re banning and your other questions.

ViceVersa Mon 30-Jun-25 13:19:48

Yes, I agree with both Doodledog and LauraNorderr. If you can't get to our age without being able to withstand a bit of robust debate, then there's something wrong. I'm not talking about personal attacks or insults - there's no place for that - but you can disagree with what a poster is saying without resorting to abuse.

Iam64 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:27:40

ViceVersak Doodledog and LauraNorder 👏👏👏

woodenspoon Mon 30-Jun-25 13:28:41

Magenta8

Here goes.....In my opinion, GN hit an all time low with the thread about the Deputy Prime Minister's clothes last July (2024). There were 1,000 posts including one that stated that she "looked like a tart". Admittedly, not all the posts were critical of the DPM but a large number chose to denigrate her and to vilify any posters who defended her.

I don't know if I have contravened GN rules by alluding to a previous post; please feel free to report me if I have.

What she wears does not affect her ability to do her job. I’m no fan of hers but it’s very poor to criticise somebody for their clothes. As for saying she looks like a tart, how would anybody know, unless they were one, what a tart looks like? Makes you wonder.

On the other hand, Boris has also been criticised for his hair and appearance on here many times.

Iam64 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:29:53

And FriedGreenToms - up thread a poster said you can read but not post.

Hello - I hope to see you posting sooon. Without any change in your style 😉😉

Mollygo Mon 30-Jun-25 13:33:00

Woodenspoon

On the other hand, Boris has also been criticised for his hair and appearance on here many times.

Yes but he’s a bloke, and Conservative as well, so that’s different!

suep1953 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:34:24

nanna8

If I wanted to I could actually vote in the British elections as I still have citizenship. I am interested in the mess that is British politics just now because I was born and bred there and have relatives there, including a brother in law and sister in law. I am also very interested in American and New Zealand politics because I have relatives there, too. Is that a crime ? I have never, ever,said Australia is perfect , it certainly isn’t . I voted the current mob in but they are not crash hot, lots of things they do I wouldn’t but then I’m not a politician. If people don’t like comments from overseas, feel free to ignore he , I wouldn’t be offended in any way.

Sorry Nanna8 you can't vote in UK Elections, you need to be registered to vote in the constituency in which you live

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8985/

woodenspoon Mon 30-Jun-25 13:38:37

TheWeirdoAgain1

I absolutely hate heavy metal/rock/punk but I wouldn't tell someone not to like it just because I don't!

There are so many people out there determined to control everyone else's lives because they don't have it in them to control their own!

Ignore the haters! If you want a jacket spud with cheese and beans, go for it!

If you want to support a particular political or religious group, do it!

By responding to the haters you're giving them fire to fire back at you, by totally ignoring them they have no power!

Very well said.

woodenspoon Mon 30-Jun-25 13:39:16

Mollygo

Woodenspoon

On the other hand, Boris has also been criticised for his hair and appearance on here many times.

Yes but he’s a bloke, and Conservative as well, so that’s different!

Of course it is. Two tier.

Philippa111 Mon 30-Jun-25 13:46:48

It's ok to agree to disagree and no need to get personal. It's interesting to read how people think and feel about things, often totally opposed to my own views. And sometimes I do recoil but live and let live. I can always choose not to read Gransnet if I dont want to.