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The most vulnerable group in society

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Doodledog Wed 02-Jul-25 12:10:51

We keep hearing that various people make up the 'most vulnerable group in society'. I think (but may be wrong) that the phrase was first coined to describe transpeople, but now it applied to the disabled, to the homeless, to asylum seekers, to pensioners, to children in poverty and probably more. I've just heard Carole Malone describe pensioners as such on Jeremy Vine, which is what inspired me to see what you all think.

I'm not saying that there are no vulnerable people in any of those groups - of course there are - but are all members of any group vulnerable? Is it fair to compare a disabled child with a pensioner, or a transperson with someone in poverty? And why is there a need to do so anyway? Isn't it the case that if someone is vulnerable they are vulnerable, regardless of the vulnerability of others?

Is it that describing a group as 'vulnerable' means that anyone advocating for anything that might reduce what they get is, by definition, 'attacking the vulnerable'? So it's a way of ring-fencing support, in a way? The problem with that is that it leads to situations where groups are pitted against one another, and (for example) the triple lock is assumed to be taking from the young, or PIP payments stopping support for the homeless, and of course the assumption by some that everyone is losing out to asylum seekers. Clearly there have to be rules when it comes to who can claim for what, so I'm not really asking about that, but about the idea that whole groups are (or are not) 'vulnerable' because they are in a particular demographic.

I realise that this is not a clear-cut question, so feel free to deviate, but I suppose it boils down to 'what does being vulnerable mean to you, and/or who do you think is the most vulnerable group in society, and why?'

nanna8 Fri 04-Jul-25 09:27:31

You wouldn’t have wanted to live here during the pandemic. We were not allowed to go more than 5 km from our houses and couldn’t meet anyone outside one designated person for over a year.
I’d say little children,too. Also people with a disability who have cognitive impairment. Medically it is different,of course.

Casdon Fri 04-Jul-25 09:40:17

It depended where in Australia you were though nanna8. Our family in Perth kept us all going with their tales of living an almost normal life, with just a few week long long shut downs, we asked them to post regular pictures of what they were up to so we could see normal life.

nanna8 Fri 04-Jul-25 10:36:04

Perth is very isolated and they were very lucky with that. We had a really awful premier over in Victoria, I could cheerfully have throttled the so and so ( along with most of us here )

Casdon Fri 04-Jul-25 10:43:23

It was state by state management in Australia, which makes sense given the size of the country. WA closed its borders early and firmly, which was the saving grace I think, well done them. My BIL had to come back to the UK part way through as his dad was seriously ill, and he had to have quarantine in a hotel for two weeks when he got back to Perth, but it was worth it.

Cossy Fri 04-Jul-25 10:54:49

I think that there are both vulnerable cohorts of people, for example Care Leavers, imo, having worked with, are a very vulnerable group, bar a few if the luckier ones. Then there are vulnerable individuals throughout society in many different, diverse groups from children, to the very elderly, the disabled to the very cash strapped.

That’s my own opinion anyway, just based on my life experiences.

LaTroisette Sat 05-Jul-25 10:04:38

Assume the polar opposite to anything Carole Malign says ... therefore the answer is children.

Mt61 Sat 05-Jul-25 10:09:07

Totally agree anotherbirdlady

Allira Sat 05-Jul-25 10:11:10

nanna8

Perth is very isolated and they were very lucky with that. We had a really awful premier over in Victoria, I could cheerfully have throttled the so and so ( along with most of us here )

Indeed! A young relative had to be escorted by armed police to visit her dying father in hospital.

And Queensland was just as bad.

WA did not allow mothers to accompany sick babies to hospital. It was very distressing for both mothers and babies.

nanna8 Sat 05-Jul-25 13:44:07

I think children under the age of around 10 are particularly vulnerable. Not saying young teenagers aren’t, of course, but at least they are able to express their views and feelings to a certain extent.

WithNobsOnIt Wed 09-Jul-25 17:48:13

I think the term vilnerable was high jacked long ago by various factions, and seems to have really lost its meaning.

Lots bandwagon jumping, poir me and me as well

Maybe we need to redefine what we mean by this term and use diffrent words and adjectives which neet an agreed criteria

Food for thought ?

M0nica Wed 09-Jul-25 20:23:43

Totally agree with you. The word 'vulnerable' has been weaponised and devalued. It now means nothing, merely that there is a pressure group behind a particular group of people.

valdavi Wed 09-Jul-25 22:13:51

It always worries me that children by law are vulnerable until 16 (for most legal purposes) then overnight they become adults & are assumed, especially young men, to be among the most hardy groups in society.
There are lots of 14 year olds who are pretty clued up, well-supported & wouldn't consider they needed extra protection. Then there are the 17 & 18 year-old care leavers (for example) who might not have any supportive adults in their life or much experience of a "normal" home life, who will be vulnerable to exploitation while they work it all out.
I agree "vulnerable" is over-used generally.