Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

Claremont

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

I think you said your DH was 2 when he came over, correct me if I'm wrong, so it would have been his parents who came legally.

You said you yourself would not have been able to stay but that you married your DH who by then presumably was a British citizen. Thst route was discontinued because it was found to be being abused by sham marriages, hence the problems of a couple of people we know who still live with uncertainty that the wife could be deported back to her war-torn country, even though she married a British citizen and they have a child.

Perhaps that seven year route to leave to remain/citizenship needs to be re-addressed by politicians as there may be many genuine cases which are falling foul of the rules, as the anxiety and uncertainty causes misery.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

How on earth do you think all of the employees of the NHS and other services are here?

Of course there are!!

We are constantly reminded by posters that the NHS, care system etc would collapse without immigrants, as if we didn't know that already 😀
But as you point out, Grannygravy13, they came in by legal routes.

Interesting that the 'rioting has been brought up again. Police reports show that of the 899 arrested last year, 41 percent had a criminal record for crimes associated with 'intimate partner violence'.

Maremia

Interesting that the 'rioting has been brought up again. Police reports show that of the 899 arrested last year, 41 percent had a criminal record for crimes associated with 'intimate partner violence'.

So the unrest and rioting is not relevant in your opinion?
This country is a tinder box and it’s not getting better anytime soon…

I thought that Maremia was pointing out that not only were a disproportionate number of those arrested already had a criminal record but that abusive people were even more disproportionately represented.

I don't think for a minute that she was saying
So the unrest and rioting is not relevant, Shinamae!

I honestly don't know how uou understood that to be what she meant!

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

Sorry it is the second paragraph in your quote. I don't believe in murder but ...

Oh! Hmmm🙄

Hardly an incitement to violence.

Get a grip!!

Having read this thread now in its entirety I fully agree with you Galaxy
Since the incitement to kill has been deleted now I think that says it all.
I don’t think it’s you or me that needs to get a grip.

NotSpaghetti

I thought that Maremia was pointing out that not only were a disproportionate number of those arrested already had a criminal record but that abusive people were even more disproportionately represented.

I don't think for a minute that she was saying
So the unrest and rioting is not relevant, Shinamae!

I honestly don't know how uou understood that to be what she meant!

Notspaghetti,

Of course they didn't "misunderstand".

In online forums, misrepresenting the other person to discredit them, is called strawman tactic.

Just never works though does it.

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Where are these videos?

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

How on earth do you think all of the employees of the NHS and other services are here?

Yes,, there are, but they are very complicated and only apply to certain people and professions, and all has to be organised before coming to the UK. Before, any EU person could come to the UK to legally look for work. In my case, pre EU, I just happened to know the right people in the right place who agreed to organise it all for me in advance. I am the only person I know of my generation, who was able to come to UK to work, rather than have to go to a posh and expensive language school, or work as an Au Pair. Exceptionally lucky and priveleged circumstances, and on a short work permit as a trainee.

And when I returned later, handicapped and unable to work, and with a DH who earned a very low salary (£ 1000 per year for 135/140 hrs a week!)- then I was able to join him. Be it with his father, his mother and later his sibblings, and me- we all needed a chance, and some a bit of help short term- and we then all contributed to the country and repaid any support over and over again.

We desperately need workers in so many sectors. Sectors which are failing due to lack of workforce. Would make sense to give immigrant the opportunity to worl and contribute, to benefit all.

The lap of luxury for some irregular migrants

I fear there will be more violence thanks to articles like this.

Why do you revel in posting these things? I can't comprehend it.

LizzieDrip

Where are these videos?

On line on the Telegraph.
I can’t show you the clips obvious. Eye opening though. Beautiful carpets & rugs. Fabulous breakfasts. Four poster beds! Just what you’d love to experience in a luxury hotel. This certainly isn’t a ‘basic’ one housing migrants like the Cresta Court in Altrincham, nor the other two near us - Mersey Farm and I can’t recall the third one.

Oh, must be true then!!!

I’m not ‘revelling’ I’m furious to read about the profligate spending that’s going on!

Are you new StripeyCat? You remind me of someone, your style of posting?

Claremont

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

How on earth do you think all of the employees of the NHS and other services are here?

Yes,, there are, but they are very complicated and only apply to certain people and professions, and all has to be organised before coming to the UK. Before, any EU person could come to the UK to legally look for work. In my case, pre EU, I just happened to know the right people in the right place who agreed to organise it all for me in advance. I am the only person I know of my generation, who was able to come to UK to work, rather than have to go to a posh and expensive language school, or work as an Au Pair. Exceptionally lucky and priveleged circumstances, and on a short work permit as a trainee.

And when I returned later, handicapped and unable to work, and with a DH who earned a very low salary (£ 1000 per year for 135/140 hrs a week!)- then I was able to join him. Be it with his father, his mother and later his sibblings, and me- we all needed a chance, and some a bit of help short term- and we then all contributed to the country and repaid any support over and over again.

We desperately need workers in so many sectors. Sectors which are failing due to lack of workforce. Would make sense to give immigrant the opportunity to worl and contribute, to benefit all.

How can the Government allow undocumented asylum seekers to work?

If they have destroyed all documentation as recommended (told) to do so by the multi millionaire people traffickers, the UK Government has to establish who they are, where they come from, if they have f any qualifications or indeed criminal records in the country they allegedly come from.

It is just not as simple as letting them work until such time they are either granted asylum or deported.

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StripeyGran

*The lap of luxury for some irregular migrants*

I fear there will be more violence thanks to articles like this.

Why do you revel in posting these things? I can't comprehend it.

I suggest you complain to The Telegraph…

Why would it not be true?? 🤷‍♀️
Makes for uncomfortable reading. Some folk perhaps want to be in denial about what’s going on?

Perhaps Trump’s advisers might read it today! 😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Why would it not be true?? 🤷‍♀️
Makes for uncomfortable reading. Some folk perhaps want to be in denial about what’s going on?

Can you please confirm that they are definitely being housed in hotels with four poster beds?

MayBee70

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Why would it not be true?? 🤷‍♀️
Makes for uncomfortable reading. Some folk perhaps want to be in denial about what’s going on?

Can you please confirm that they are definitely being housed in hotels with four poster beds?

As FGT2’s source is The Telegraph a quick Google should be sufficient…

If the hotel referred to is the one in Tintagel it may have four poster beds but it was never actually used to house migrants so this comment is misleading.
Since when was Tintagel in West Sussex Maybee70?

Meanwhile, many children in the UK have to rely on breakfast clubs and other schemes (often funded through grants or donations from companies and charities) particularly during school holidays, to guarantee one decent meal a day.

This definitely doesn’t sit well with me.

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