Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

I’m with Casdon - I don’t identify as a ‘leftie’, despite not agreeing with Teazel or Kandinsky

I identify as left wing definitely, but not in the silly sense that some are suggesting.

With regard to immigration - this is what I believe should happen.

First, the ability to return asylum seekers to the first safe country should be installed by rejoining the EU

The U.K. should take the lead in driving an EU over all agreement over asylum seekers like quotas etc.

The U.K. should immediate set up safe routes, with the asylum seeker being giving full access to these safe routes.

Any person arriving outside of these safe routes should be absolutely certain that they will never be granted access to the U.K.

The HO should be given all the necessary resources to clear the backlog built up during the Tory government, and then be expected to keep within a set number in government accommodation and only until a decision as to their status is made.

I would also if it was within my power stop the rhetoric from various agents that is causing hate and division.

Claremont

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

my point is, that the legal routes we used, my OH in 1948, me in 1970 - are no longer possible or legal. They were then.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

How on earth do you think all of the employees of the NHS and other services are here?

Yes Whitewave, more resources should be given to clear the backlog built up by the last Government. More resources into towns that are trying to cope with the accommodation issues.
I guess losing the agreement we did have with the EU, was just one of those downsides of Brexit.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

If you read Claremont’s posts carefully you will find that the circumstances under which she came to the UK were that she was unable to support herself and her husband was not earning enough to satisfy the current income requirements. The circumstances under which she entered in 1970 would not be allowed under current regulations.

Your desire to —wrong foot— correct posters has been a bit over zealous in this instance.

Anyway, this whole ‘discussion’ is, as usual, getting very muddled. Legal immigration and ‘irregular’ immigration are completely separate issues. Apart, of course, from in the eyes of those who seriously believe that a minority religion (muslims are about 7% of the UK population) is going to engulf the country in the course of a decade or two.

There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.

How many times does it have to be pointed out that there are NO legal routes for most asylum seekers?

Yes I was going to point out the difference then lost the will to live🙄

MaizieD

^There are still legal routes for people to come to the U.K. and work.^

How many times does it have to be pointed out that there are NO legal routes for most asylum seekers?

As I said there are legal routes for those who wish to work and live in the U.K. I see no problem with having to prove that you can support yourself and/or your family.

I have also posted far too many times that I support a system whereby those in genuine need of asylum should be able to apply via U.K. embassies abroad or similar.

I totally abhor the people traffickers who play on the vulnerable.

I am still unsure why fit young men abandon their families as opposed to stay and fight for a better country.

Whitewavemark2

Yes I was going to point out the difference then lost the will to live🙄

As am I losing the will to continually have to explain on GN my opinions (and they are just that) regarding legal migration and asylum seekers.

Seems the EU got the same tariff deal yesterday with Trump as Vietnam and Indonesia. 😳

The other amazing thing about the Trump deal was its SPEED. He gave them till 1 August to sort a deal out. Hence Ursula vd Leyen flying out to his Turnberry golf course….

The EU usually makes its negotiations last for years and years... ‘all the more jobs for the lads’ ... Do you remember the Canadian negotiator having to leave because the endless 8 YEARS of talks gave her a nervous breakdown?.

So great to see the EU not holding all their protectionist cards.

Even Jonathan Reynolds admitted the UK ‘got a Brexit bonus deal’.

Whitewavemark2

I identify as left wing definitely, but not in the silly sense that some are suggesting.

With regard to immigration - this is what I believe should happen.

First, the ability to return asylum seekers to the first safe country should be installed by rejoining the EU

The U.K. should take the lead in driving an EU over all agreement over asylum seekers like quotas etc.

The U.K. should immediate set up safe routes, with the asylum seeker being giving full access to these safe routes.

Any person arriving outside of these safe routes should be absolutely certain that they will never be granted access to the U.K.

The HO should be given all the necessary resources to clear the backlog built up during the Tory government, and then be expected to keep within a set number in government accommodation and only until a decision as to their status is made.

I would also if it was within my power stop the rhetoric from various agents that is causing hate and division.

I’ve also lost the will to live reading this idealistic nonsense.

Take the lead with the EU. What a joke. None if the EU countries wants these Middle Eastern migrants, they’ve caused trouble and crime in every country they’ve moved to. This is why the French are only too happy to sail them on their way to the UK.
Are other EU countries giving them hotels to live in? Money? Mobile phones? You can bet your life they’re not.

While all this pie in the sky systems are set up, what happens about the thousands already here with thousands more coming in each week?

Yes, I’ve lost the will to live.

My family moved to Europe before UK was a member of the EU, to a country which wasn’t in the EU.

Parents had to jump through many, many hoops, including proving how they could support themselves and children, proof of paying for healthcare, and schooling, along with applying (and reapplying) for work permits.

I didn’t see anything wrong with this then, and I do not see anything wrong with applying this system to those who wish to come to the U.K. having to do this now.

I’m open to suggestions.

What is your proposal?

Maremia

Yes Whitewave, more resources should be given to clear the backlog built up by the last Government. More resources into towns that are trying to cope with the accommodation issues.
I guess losing the agreement we did have with the EU, was just one of those downsides of Brexit.

When we were still in the EU, the Dublin Agreement which meant we could return some asylum seekers back to a safe country, hardly worked in our favour.We had to accept almost double at times here, than the number of people we returned .

Return them. No handouts. No hotels. Instant jail sentences followed by deportation for those who commit crimes, just like those in the Southport riots. All Afghans who are Taliban supporters returned.
That’s just a start.

I’m not surprised the US has confidently concluded this deal with the EU , there was after all a huge imbalance in trade between the two.

Equally,I’m not surprised at the squeals from EU countries because of the 27 countries there are only 3 that have a significant imbalance in trade, Germany (of course), Ireland and Italy. But then that’s solidarity for you. 😉

GrannyGravy13

My family moved to Europe before UK was a member of the EU, to a country which wasn’t in the EU.

Parents had to jump through many, many hoops, including proving how they could support themselves and children, proof of paying for healthcare, and schooling, along with applying (and reapplying) for work permits.

I didn’t see anything wrong with this then, and I do not see anything wrong with applying this system to those who wish to come to the U.K. having to do this now.

It’s not going happen though is it, it should but it won’t and it’s too late now anyway I think now it’s shutting the stable door when the horse has bolted and I dread the future of this country…
Trump is speaking absolute sense and sorting out the problems of his country and it’s just a pity we haven’t got anyone in this country to do the same..
The boat people keep coming and keep coming and WHERE are they going to live??these are the ones that are coming in at Dover? Don’t think for one minute there are not smaller boats with not so many people coming in further along the coast and just disappearing…

Reports this morning that some are being moved into newly converted flats in Waterlooville. Quite naturally the locals are furious. As many have said, what about locals who’ve been on the housing list years and years. Why SHOULD these migrants always go to the top of the queue. It’s disgusting.

Requirements for family members joining another member in the U.K.

A breakdown of the common requirements:

1. Relationship Proof:
For Spouses and Civil Partners:
Marriage certificate or civil partnership certificate.
For Unmarried Partners:
Evidence of cohabitation (joint leases, utility bills, bank statements with the same address) and a genuine, subsisting relationship.
For Children:
Birth certificates, adoption papers, and potentially other documents to prove the parent-child relationship.
For Parents:
You'll need to prove they are dependent on you, either financially or for care.
2. Financial Requirements:
Income Requirement: You generally need to show you can support your family financially, and the specific income threshold depends on the visa type and the number of family members.
Evidence: Pay slips, bank statements, P60s, and other documents proving your income.
Dependency: If a parent is applying, you need to demonstrate they cannot support themselves in their home country due to financial or health reasons.
3. Accommodation:
Proof: You need to show you have suitable accommodation for your family, such as a tenancy agreement, mortgage details, or utility bills for your home.
4. Other Considerations:
English Language Requirement:
You may need to prove you meet the English language requirements, especially for certain visa types.
Life in the UK Test:
You may also need to pass the Life in the UK test, depending on the visa route.
Criminal Record:
You will need to provide details of any criminal convictions.
Translations:
If any documents are not in English or Welsh, you'll need certified translations.
Specific Visa Route:
The exact requirements will depend on whether you are applying under the EU Settlement Scheme, family visas, or other routes.
Applying for the Visa:
Online Application:
Your family members will need to apply for a visa online from outside the UK.
Biometrics:
They will need to attend a visa application center to provide biometric information (fingerprints and photo).
Supporting Documents:
You'll need to gather all the necessary documents and evidence to support their application.

Whitewavemark2 as it should be for everyone…

All of which is for those who apply following the conventional route and do things by the book. Nevertheless I’m sure some evidence could be manufactured. There’s also a lot of ‘you may’ in there.

None of this applies to the illegals entering by boats. Also those coming from Afghanistan, supposedly in fear of the Taliban, were offered bribes to say people were members of their extended family so they could enter the UK with no means of British authorities checking whether this is true. Some brought 20 family members with them.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 as it should be for everyone…

As it is for everyone who is able to access a legal route to the UK.

How would this work for a Palestinian wanting to come to the UK today? Where are the 'visa application centres' in Gaza?

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 as it should be for everyone…

As it is for everyone who is able to access a legal route to the UK.

How would this work for a Palestinian wanting to come to the UK today? Where are the 'visa application centres' in Gaza?

Over the years the U.K. has been a haven for hundreds of thousands of people in their time of need.

My question to you is how do we know who people are once they have destroyed all of their paperwork?

Why do they do this?

What have they got to hide?

woodenspoon

Reports this morning that some are being moved into newly converted flats in Waterlooville. Quite naturally the locals are furious. As many have said, what about locals who’ve been on the housing list years and years. Why SHOULD these migrants always go to the top of the queue. It’s disgusting.

And people wonder why there is rioting….🤷‍♀️

Why would Palestinians want to come to the UK in the first place when there are so many other Middle Eastern countries alongside them to apply to. What could possibly be the incentive to want the UK rather than live alongside others in a country with a similar mindset. Puzzling isn’t it.