Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

AmberGran

If what they are saying about the sea levels is correct many from Europe and the USA will be looking for new homes in the next 20-30 years. Already many Pacific Islands are arranging to move their islanders to Australia in a phased move over the next ten years or so as their islands slowly disappear.

I wonder if the day will come when we are begging an already greener Africa to let us migrate?

Perhaps that day will come sooner than we think, as Europe is heating up faster than any other continent.

Interesting🤔

So further up this thread I indicated that I do indeed think that immigration is an issue and needs tackling

Stopping more coming in, you mean?
Or something else?

"You asked earlier what the solution should be. My view is people like yourself, vociferously pro migration, should be prepared to house and sponsor a migrant or migrant family for at least a year, possibly with some government money, and after a year of assistance and assimilation they’re on their own. Fund and rent their own accommodation without handouts, pay for medical care they need, support themselves. If, and in,y if, they are willing to meet these conditions should they be allowed to stay."

But that is more or less what happens anyway. Most immigrants apply for asylum as soon as they arrive, as at that point the illegally arrived ones become legal and under international law an applicant for asylum has certain humanitarian rights. They get minimal support until their application is heard and accepted and then they are self-supporting. Then they have to find work and accommodation and acquire furniture and sheets, towels etc however they can - charity shops mainly.

The difference is that it is the government which keeps them alive until their case is heard. The hearings seem to taking place sooner recently than they used to, which is gradually cutting into the backlog.

woodenspoon

Whitewavemark2

The Copthorne near Gatwick has been empty for years and presumably contractors are renting it and in turn sub-contracting to the government.

I know where it is and in fact years ago used it for visiting officials/revenue officers/accountants from Germany, Spain and Italy governments.

I never thought of it as luxurious I must say - just adequate.

The footage is tacky to say the least and Oakeshott’s agenda for Reform is crystal clear.

So that makes it all right then? Continue hosting migrants at taxpayers expense because, in your view, the hotel is tacky although another poster would disagree. It is disgusting! British families or ex servicemen should become before migrants. Only when they’re all adequately housed should migrants be accommodated.

You asked earlier what the solution should be. My view is people like yourself, vociferously pro migration, should be prepared to house and sponsor a migrant or migrant family for at least a year, possibly with some government money, and after a year of assistance and assimilation they’re on their own. Fund and rent their own accommodation without handouts, pay for medical care they need, support themselves. If, and in,y if, they are willing to meet these conditions should they be allowed to stay.

Migration affects everybody, so by that token everybody should be equally involved. We would be in the position we are now if we had any other government too, because there is no easy solution. The fools are those who believe there is.

Ah, but some pople want it.
Some have been saying from the start it is a bad idea.
Bit late now, some people complaining.

fancythat

Ah, but some pople want it.
Some have been saying from the start it is a bad idea.
Bit late now, some people complaining.

I’ve yet to see anybody say they want it, fancythat, perhaps you could point us to where that was said? A number of people have said that they understand why it is happening, and feel sympathy for genuine asylum seekers though - perhaps that is what you mean?

Really?

In which case the tide has well and truly turned.

Dont think it has turned in government circles.
But if no one wants it, it is likely to now.

I don’t get you? Are you saying that you think people, or governments want, or ever did want, to see mass migration, and people seeking asylum to escape their own countries?

Casdon

fancythat

Ah, but some pople want it.
Some have been saying from the start it is a bad idea.
Bit late now, some people complaining.

I’ve yet to see anybody say they want it, fancythat, perhaps you could point us to where that was said? A number of people have said that they understand why it is happening, and feel sympathy for genuine asylum seekers though - perhaps that is what you mean?

In reality I didnt have to get past the first 20 posts on this thread to find people who still want it.
Though they may be talking about all immigration.

Which as I and so many people keep saying, it is not all immigration we and so many others are talk about.

I

Nor is it those escaping horrors that are being talked about.
And that is said over and over and over as well.

A light bulb moment!

I’m just watching commentary about Alf Garnet.

My goodness who would have thought he’d still exist today?!

Some posters make things sound like one thing, when actually, or eventually, they agree with the majority as well.
And yet still carry on trying to hide their real, deep down thoughts.

Must be exhasting.

My unofficial name[i cant change my name as had a different one about 8 years ago], is,
My choice only two replies, so that is it for now.

fancythat

Some posters make things sound like one thing, when actually, or eventually, they agree with the majority as well.
And yet still carry on trying to hide their real, deep down thoughts.

Must be exhasting.

Some posters don’t actually read what other posters say because their own views colour their reading fancythat, that is one of the most frustrating elements of social media. People go off on one, dismissing thoughtful, researched, knowledgeable or reflective posts, because they want to get their own views heard.

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

But they are getting everything - they’re getting housed, fed, healthcare needs met. How much is that costing?

Kandinsky

But they are getting everything - they’re getting housed, fed, healthcare needs met. How much is that costing?

Look at the list I have put on the tread.

Don’t forget that we live in a rule based society, for which I for one am very grateful.

The government is abiding by the law.

So exactly how much is it costing the UK to house all these asylum seekers?
Can you just put the figure ( to the nearest billion )

Actually don’t bother. Anyone interested in accurate yearly figures can easily find out themselves.

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I do understand, though, how people who are struggling to feed and house their families might feel upset and resentful at the thought of people entering the country to seek asylum getting three square meals a day and better accommodation than they could dream of.

I try to look at it from others' points of view, not just my own.

Allira

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I do understand, though, how people who are struggling to feed and house their families might feel upset and resentful at the thought of people entering the country to seek asylum getting three square meals a day and better accommodation than they could dream of.

I try to look at it from others' points of view, not just my own.

It’s the dismissal of views that angers people around this subject.
Asylum seekers may not be living in the lap of luxury but they do like being housed in hotels.The government says there will be consequences for those who refuse to leave hotels for other accommodation.
Housed and fed well, free heath care and dentists and pocket money.You can see why this is such a heated subject.Hundreds and hundreds arriving weekly, even daily at times.For years and years.

Dentists?? Surely not.

Many people can only dream of seeing a dentist.
Some are pulling out their own teeth.

Then speed up the assessment process.

Well, yes!!

Maremia

Then speed up the assessment process.

Sounds easy doesn’t it?
When immigrants lie, have no documentation at all and have lawyers at their disposal to set back any legal decisions and make appeals you can see why it takes so long.
I suspect that thousands have been waved through the system just to get the numbers anywhere near a reasonable backlog.
Around 24,000 have arrived in small boats just so far this year.

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?