Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

The French and the Belgians did much the same.Let’s face it, all the successful countries went in for Empire building.

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

So we were the best🤭

GrannyGravy13

Norah The Portuguese Empire was the longest lived European colonial empire 1415-1999.

Their last colony was Macau

And widespread.
That is why Portuguese is the most widely spoken language and the official language of many countries in the Southern Hemisphere.

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

So?

Norah

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

Oh dear, a bit late to complain now!!

Norah

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

What isn’t pleasant in the 21sr century is President Putin trying to regain by force, at the cost of many lives, countries that fought for their freedom from the USSR.

If colonialism by Europeans was a bad thing then the learning for those colonised is they should have resisted it more effectively. In many cases their state of weaponry was inadequate and in some cases they were sold out by native rulers keen to cash in variously including selling slaves. And some populations were decimated by European diseases against which they had no immunity.

Allira

Norah

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

Oh dear, a bit late to complain now!!

I've always believed as I do now. Empire building was abhorrent.

That was then, this is now.

Norah

Allira

Norah

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

Oh dear, a bit late to complain now!!

I've always believed as I do now. Empire building was abhorrent.

Would you visit countries which were colonies or not, if you feel it was abhorrent?

Allira

Norah

Allira

Norah

GrannyGravy13

The British Empire was the biggest a quarter of the world’s landmass.

In my opinion that is not pleasant.

Oh dear, a bit late to complain now!!

I've always believed as I do now. Empire building was abhorrent.

Would you visit countries which were colonies or not, if you feel it was abhorrent?

Of course we have, I don't believe colonies to be at fault.

We also holiday in Italy, Portugal, Spain, Hawaii, Alaska, Florida, New York. All parts to Empires or Empire builders at some point.

Thinking the past to be abhorrent can co-exist with visiting countries over-run by Empire building in the past, in my opinion.

We have been to Israel, Oman, Bahrain, Turkey, all over Africa and South America - all places with instances of poor human rights.

Abhorrent as you may think it is Norah colonialism has shaped the world as it is today.

Plants with medicinal qualities, crops, fruits and vegetables which sustain life today.

The history of colonialism is something we should teach well in our schools and universities. Simply describing colonialism as abhorrent as seen through today’s telescope diminishes history and its importance.

Miss Slater taught year 3, year 9 as we know it today. I’d always enjoyed history but Miss Slater taught the slave trade, the
triangle of slaves from Africa to America, cotton and other goods to our nearest big port in Liverpool. Cotton to the mills in the north west where my grandparents still worked.

European countries going out to explore and yes, colonise, contributed positively as well as in ways we might see as abhorrent today. The past can’t be changed but will be learned from if we allow and encourage that.

Iam64 agree 👍

Iam64

The history of colonialism is something we should teach well in our schools and universities. Simply describing colonialism as abhorrent as seen through today’s telescope diminishes history and its importance.

Miss Slater taught year 3, year 9 as we know it today. I’d always enjoyed history but Miss Slater taught the slave trade, the
triangle of slaves from Africa to America, cotton and other goods to our nearest big port in Liverpool. Cotton to the mills in the north west where my grandparents still worked.

European countries going out to explore and yes, colonise, contributed positively as well as in ways we might see as abhorrent today. The past can’t be changed but will be learned from if we allow and encourage that.

I agree with you, I admit I attempt never dimishing history, learning from history is reason to encourage discussion, study, travel. IMO.

Miss Slater opened my eyes to the complexities involved. We were all shocked by learning about slavery, our countries part in the terrible trade. It was a relief to learn about the opposition, the campaigns to end slavery. Children and young people are sponges, absorbing information, questioning and challenging. Miss Slater influenced my politics, not in a tub thumping way but by teaching so well

Yes travel for those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity is a wonderful way to enhance understanding. I’ve been to India twice . Fantastic trips with guides. They responded to British colonial guilt skilfully. I was told ‘we’ve been invaded by so many people. At least the British left positive legacies, round abouts, railways and democracy. ‘
We could have more challenging discussions as well but humour a great ice breaker

Yes, we may have engaged in slavery which was abhorrent, but so did other nations and in fact Africans themselves captured and sold people, but Britain was instrumental in abolishing the practice and other countries followed.

Slavery still exists today, sadly.

Iam64

Yes travel for those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity is a wonderful way to enhance understanding. I’ve been to India twice . Fantastic trips with guides. They responded to British colonial guilt skilfully. I was told ‘we’ve been invaded by so many people. At least the British left positive legacies, round abouts, railways and democracy. ‘
We could have more challenging discussions as well but humour a great ice breaker

Monsoon ditches! 🙂

Allira

Yes, we may have engaged in slavery which was abhorrent, but so did other nations and in fact Africans themselves captured and sold people, but Britain was instrumental in abolishing the practice and other countries followed.

Slavery still exists today, sadly.

The North African Barbary Pirates enslaved thousands of Europeans.

Although slavery is no longer officially legal in Arab states, there are a lot of modern day slaves in those regions, a fact we should be more concerned about than any historical cases of slavery, because no amount of regret over that can change anything. Modern day slavery exists in many guises today unfortunately.

TerriBull 👍🏻

TerriBull modern day slavery is a bi-product of people trafficking.

This abhorrent industry is prevalent in the U.K. as well, cannabis farms, household staff, prostitution etc.

Slavery, modern or otherwise, is a product of extreme capitalism, where it is deemed acceptable that everything, including your labour and your life, can and must be bought for the lowest price possible including zero, and without regard to law or convention.

If you voted for Brexit, or support Trump or Farage, et al, you are supporting that view of politics and economics.