Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

He was elected by the people of the USA for a second term, whatever our thoughts on the man, I think its obvious that world leaders respect the office of POTUS, as they have all clambered to meet the current one.

Well that is one way of spinning it I suppose

I am not wrong Whitewavemark2 world leaders realise that it’s better to be in his club than not.

Look at our own PM hot footing it as quick as he could to the Whitehouse with the invitation for a state visit from the King…

Ursula Vandelyern is going to meet him today in Scotland.

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

Exactly!!

I think its very important to apply a "not all rationale" in both sides of the argument, not all asylum seekers are genuine, some will be, just as some amongst their numbers will be trouble makers/criminals. Amongst those staying in hotels and those who have been granted settled status, there will be some who have committed criminal acts, and have no intention of changing their ways, which would somewhat prove they are bogus because they wouldn't flout the laws of their host country and they would treat its inhabitants with more respect if they felt that being allowed to stay hinged on that. Unfortunately for the genuine ones they are all lumped together from public perception. Hence the protests outside the hotels, again some are local people with genuine grievances who feel they are not being listened to. Into that mix come professional agiatators from both the right and left who appear to want to fan the flames of discontent further and tip any protest over into violence. It doesn't help that these hotels appear to be packed full of young single men. There have been numerous criminal incidents perpetuated by asylum seekers and it would be good if those were recognised as a threat rather than brushed under the carpet because not doing so is very divisive, even if you just take GN as a snapshot of the overall mood of the country. Contrary to that we do need to recognise there are people, where we, as part of the free world should be prepared to give sanctuary to, although as a relatively small country we have finite amounts of space, housing and other infrastructure that certainly impacts negatively on our own people before others need to be catered for from those limited resources.

In my home City hotels were taken over to become migrant hostels, HMO’s sprung up everywhere to house more immigrants, our high streets flooded with Turkish barbers, takeaways and vape shops.

The pavements were full of Deliveroo cyclists on cargo bikes and the crime went up at an alarming rate.

In just a few years the City that I grew up in and returned to 15 years ago became an alien place to me.

We sold our lovely home in March, and are living rurally another county.

I feel as though a huge weight has been lifted.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

He was elected by the people of the USA for a second term, whatever our thoughts on the man, I think its obvious that world leaders respect the office of POTUS, as they have all clambered to meet the current one.

Well that is one way of spinning it I suppose

I am not wrong Whitewavemark2 world leaders realise that it’s better to be in his club than not.

Look at our own PM hot footing it as quick as he could to the Whitehouse with the invitation for a state visit from the King…

Ursula Vandelyern is going to meet him today in Scotland.

It is the word respect that I stumbled over!

I think you like to play devil's advocate FGT when you start a thread like this. You can't possibly agree with that horrible, racist, sexist, xenophobe who would like to abolish elections so he can be a dictator (like Putin)

Wow, you learn so much on these threads.
So is the word 'respect' as used in GrannyGravy 13's post, now used as a substitute for 'are scared witless by the temper tantrums and vindictiveness of that bully in'

Now don't spoil her fun, Grammaretto, she does get us going.

Whitewavemark2

Not clear why a foreign convicted felon, rapist and alleged paedophile should be given approval by a thread’s headlines?

I can think of all sorts of people who might make the same argument and who have a much higher moral standing.

Although quite difficult to have a lower one frankly.

Try raising your eyes higher. Would you trust him around your teenage daughter?

You don’t know that for sure that he’s a paedo, or rapist!

Trump is going up, as a politician, in my estimation. This Country needs a strong policy on all immigration.
Apparently, the USA has drastically reduced I.I.

Mt61

Whitewavemark2

Not clear why a foreign convicted felon, rapist and alleged paedophile should be given approval by a thread’s headlines?

I can think of all sorts of people who might make the same argument and who have a much higher moral standing.

Although quite difficult to have a lower one frankly.

Try raising your eyes higher. Would you trust him around your teenage daughter?

You don’t know that for sure that he’s a paedo, or rapist!

The word alleged gives you a clue.

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

I have often wondered that, too. With hindsight, which is a wonderful thing, it would have been better for the wealthier countries to have supported the poorer ones, providing employment and opportunities so that their young people could see a future where they were without migration.

He is a convicted felon, and yet so many admire him.

Grammaretto

I think you like to play devil's advocate FGT when you start a thread like this. You can't possibly agree with that horrible, racist, sexist, xenophobe who would like to abolish elections so he can be a dictator (like Putin)

Very much in agreement, I think.

Maremia

Wow, you learn so much on these threads.
So is the word 'respect' as used in GrannyGravy 13's post, now used as a substitute for 'are scared witless by the temper tantrums and vindictiveness of that bully in'

He was elected by the people of the USA for a second term, whatever our thoughts on the man, I think its obvious that world leaders respect the office of POTUS, as they have all clambered to meet the current one.

Which part of "the office of POTUS" is causing difficulty, I wonder?
Of course they are meeting the POTUS because it is expedient to do so, and probably not because they respect the person who was elected to hold that office at the moment.

I can disrespect him if I wish but our Government and diplomats must do what is necessary.

Views are so polarised on the issue of illegal immigration that it is impossible to state a fact either way about the issue without others getting angry and upset.

Bluebelle of course, you are right about the NHS being staffed by many immigrants but they are here legally. Some trained here at British universities too.

Sago

In my home City hotels were taken over to become migrant hostels, HMO’s sprung up everywhere to house more immigrants, our high streets flooded with Turkish barbers, takeaways and vape shops.

The pavements were full of Deliveroo cyclists on cargo bikes and the crime went up at an alarming rate.

In just a few years the City that I grew up in and returned to 15 years ago became an alien place to me.

We sold our lovely home in March, and are living rurally another county.

I feel as though a huge weight has been lifted.

A good many of the vape shops, and probably some of the others, are very likely fronts for money laundering. Apparently it’s rife on our high streets now, and as far as I can see, the authorities are doing precisely sod all to stop it.

Isn’t it possible to somewhat personally dislike a politician, in this case Trump, yet still agree with what he says on many subjects?
Surely that’s possible, yet a lot of posters on here seem fixated by their dislike of the man, obsessed as they are with his alleged misdemeanours.

On the topic of the adverse impact mass migration is having on this country and indeed the whole of Europe is a fact, regardless of who says it.

It would still be true if Putin said it!

Sago and Witzend 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I am not wrong Whitewavemark2 world leaders realise that it’s better to be in his club than not.

They are not in his club. They know he is a dangerous nutter, but because of the power he wields have no choice but to employ diplomacy in their dealings with him. No doubt they are stifling the desire to vomit whilst they do.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Trump gets straight to the heart of the matter. Nailing it on immigration and Net Zero in thirty seconds.

But he is not nailing it at home by looking after the health, education, freedom from oppression by "officials", and privacy of personal information, of his compatriots at home, or the protection and maintenance of the natural resources of the land in which he and they live.

The only people he allows to use the benefits and income that the bountiful land provides are himself and those of his advisors and employees who best massage his insatiable ego or help to increase his personal wealth.

Luckygirl3

*I am not wrong Whitewavemark2 world leaders realise that it’s better to be in his club than not.*

They are not in his club. They know he is a dangerous nutter, but because of the power he wields have no choice but to employ diplomacy in their dealings with him. No doubt they are stifling the desire to vomit whilst they do.

Quite!!

Skydancer

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

Exactly!!

If the UK came under attack, your home was destroyed, nobody could work and the food supply was slashed, people were being bombed and otherwise killed every day, there were no schools open and your family were suffering beyond anything any of us can imagine, what would you do?

There are few options, but most people would probably try to make the best of it for a while, in the hope that things would improve and because they'd be in shock. After a lot of their money had ben spent on staying alive, they might get together as a family to pool resources and look at possibilities. For many, there would be none; but for those with better resources an option might be to try again in another country and seek asylum.

If some could speak English (more likely than being able to speak other languages) it would make sense to decide to go to an English-speaking country. As putting babies and the elderly in boats would be insanely risky and they wouldn't be able to work anyway, who would you send as pioneers? Such a journey would be a huge risk for everyone, but young, fit men would have the best chance - both of survival and of finding work that would allow them to save and send for the rest of the family later.

Where there is civil war it is often not a case of fighting for one's country - it can be about saving your family from persecution or attack, and even without civil war under dictatorships the same can apply.

TerriBull

I think its very important to apply a "not all rationale" in both sides of the argument, not all asylum seekers are genuine, some will be, just as some amongst their numbers will be trouble makers/criminals. Amongst those staying in hotels and those who have been granted settled status, there will be some who have committed criminal acts, and have no intention of changing their ways, which would somewhat prove they are bogus because they wouldn't flout the laws of their host country and they would treat its inhabitants with more respect if they felt that being allowed to stay hinged on that. Unfortunately for the genuine ones they are all lumped together from public perception. Hence the protests outside the hotels, again some are local people with genuine grievances who feel they are not being listened to. Into that mix come professional agiatators from both the right and left who appear to want to fan the flames of discontent further and tip any protest over into violence. It doesn't help that these hotels appear to be packed full of young single men. There have been numerous criminal incidents perpetuated by asylum seekers and it would be good if those were recognised as a threat rather than brushed under the carpet because not doing so is very divisive, even if you just take GN as a snapshot of the overall mood of the country. Contrary to that we do need to recognise there are people, where we, as part of the free world should be prepared to give sanctuary to, although as a relatively small country we have finite amounts of space, housing and other infrastructure that certainly impacts negatively on our own people before others need to be catered for from those limited resources.

A very sensible post, Terribull.

"With hindsight, which is a wonderful thing, it would have been better for the wealthier countries to have supported the poorer ones, providing employment and opportunities so that their young people could see a future where they were without migration." Sarnia

Trump is doing the exact opposite of that. He is sowing such seeds of resentment against the US in all the countries he deals with that at some point there will come a time of reckoning.

Doodledog

Skydancer

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

Exactly!!

If the UK came under attack, your home was destroyed, nobody could work and the food supply was slashed, people were being bombed and otherwise killed every day, there were no schools open and your family were suffering beyond anything any of us can imagine, what would you do?

There are few options, but most people would probably try to make the best of it for a while, in the hope that things would improve and because they'd be in shock. After a lot of their money had ben spent on staying alive, they might get together as a family to pool resources and look at possibilities. For many, there would be none; but for those with better resources an option might be to try again in another country and seek asylum.

If some could speak English (more likely than being able to speak other languages) it would make sense to decide to go to an English-speaking country. As putting babies and the elderly in boats would be insanely risky and they wouldn't be able to work anyway, who would you send as pioneers? Such a journey would be a huge risk for everyone, but young, fit men would have the best chance - both of survival and of finding work that would allow them to save and send for the rest of the family later.

Where there is civil war it is often not a case of fighting for one's country - it can be about saving your family from persecution or attack, and even without civil war under dictatorships the same can apply.

No.

This country sent their young children to safe havens during WW2, both here and abroad.

The men stayed and fought, even if they were not able to join the Armed Forces, they did their bit at home, except for a few who were black marketeers and spivs.