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nanna8 Mon 06-Oct-25 07:37:57

Two of my granddaughters are planning a tour of Europe and the UK next June. They are in their late teens and are going with another girlfriend who is the same age. They are all good looking girls and they have all had fairly sheltered lives ( private schools, wealthy parents). My son in law , another daughter’s husband who is English, says it is far too dangerous, particularly in London and that they will likely be robbed and/ or assaulted. I feel quite worried about them now. Those of you who live in London, is this really true ? Should they be warned to not show phones when they are out ? Please tell the truth . I hope he is exaggerating but feel nervous about it all. They are also going to Paris - would that be similar ?

Galaxy Mon 06-Oct-25 20:14:16

I suspect we were unlucky but it was deeply unpleasant.

imaround Mon 06-Oct-25 20:21:03

I am an American who was in both London and Paris in June with a bunch of teenaged girls. We had absolutely no problems in either city. Not with theft, nor harassment of anyone of our group
We were treated well in both cities, which I was worried about considering the reputation of Americans right now. I did get my teens the insert for the phone case that turns them into lanyard though, as I heard that phone thefts are common.

Deedaa Mon 06-Oct-25 21:23:59

My American son in law has lived in the UK for the last 30 years, about an hour's drive from central London. Throughout that 30 years his family in America have begged him to come home because the UK is such a dangerous place! When his brothers came for a holiday I think they were quite surprised that no one robbed or attacked them. Needless to say my son in law has never had any problems here.

Possum63 Mon 06-Oct-25 23:08:06

They live in Melbourne - they are not as naive as you think. They'll be fine.

Allira Mon 06-Oct-25 23:15:47

imaround

I am an American who was in both London and Paris in June with a bunch of teenaged girls. We had absolutely no problems in either city. Not with theft, nor harassment of anyone of our group
We were treated well in both cities, which I was worried about considering the reputation of Americans right now. I did get my teens the insert for the phone case that turns them into lanyard though, as I heard that phone thefts are common.

Yes, phone thefts in London have been on the national news this evening; apparently they zoom past on electric bikes on the pavement, snatch the phone and off they go. The police are clamping down but best to keep it hidden.

The phones go off to China, apparently 🤔

I never think it's a good idea to wear ear buds, listening to music as you walk either.

Galaxy Mon 06-Oct-25 23:18:07

I know I know, but I do that.
I am usually listening to a true crime podcast which I suspect is even worse blush

Allira Mon 06-Oct-25 23:32:31

Galaxy

I know I know, but I do that.
I am usually listening to a true crime podcast which I suspect is even worse blush

😲

imaround Tue 07-Oct-25 05:34:40

I am an ear bud walker too. smile

petra Tue 07-Oct-25 08:50:29

Allira
I’ve seen 2 phone thefts right in front of me in our high street.
One of them so close I jumped back.
Hopefully with the wonderful news last night our phones might be a bit safer.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Oct-25 08:58:29

One of my daughters had her phone snatched by a man on a scooter - this was in Shepherd's Bush. Two Polish guys ran after him and snatched it right back.
Not everyone is a problem in London.

JackyB Tue 07-Oct-25 09:42:41

Tell them not to take too much stuff. The less they have, the easier it is to keep tabs on it and the less there is to steal. Put it all out on the bed then reduce it by half, but don't just take scruffy clothes - for a city you will fit in better with something a little smarter.

When in Rome, which is notorious, I distributed cash and cards over 2-3 tiny purses which I placed in different jeans pockets. Passport I left at my accommodation. Phone in my bra, no handbag. Maybe a couple of tissues and a small tin of hand cream, but for a day trip in a city there really is no need for more than that.

Phones, purses and wallets in front jeans pockets, nothing visible in back pockets. If you need to carry or wear a jacket, only put non-valuables in the pockets. Make sure you don't take cards or phones out where everyone can see you, then away from people. Mend any holes in pockets, and if you can sew, use some spare fabric to add a little depth to pockets to give you more room to stow stuff.

Memorise passwords and phone numbers or at least keep a cryptic note somewhere to help you remember. Keep cards in RFID-secure cases. I use some which are simply like envelopes no bigger than the cards themselves.

There are some really good theft-proof crossbody bags and backpacks availab!e which they might like to invest in, by an Australian company ca!led Pacsafe.

mabon2 Tue 07-Oct-25 13:46:36

I'd be worried sick if my grand daughters were thinking of doing that.

CariadAgain Tue 07-Oct-25 13:51:07

petra

Allira
I’ve seen 2 phone thefts right in front of me in our high street.
One of them so close I jumped back.
Hopefully with the wonderful news last night our phones might be a bit safer.

That must have gone straight over my head.

What "wonderful news last night"?

Oreo Tue 07-Oct-25 13:55:07

CariadAgain

petra

Allira
I’ve seen 2 phone thefts right in front of me in our high street.
One of them so close I jumped back.
Hopefully with the wonderful news last night our phones might be a bit safer.

That must have gone straight over my head.

What "wonderful news last night"?

The police smashed a big Iraqi gang here responsible for thousands and thousands of phone thefts.

She777 Tue 07-Oct-25 14:00:44

I’m in London once a month for work. Do not walk around with your phone out, ever. Stop and take photos but stand back from the road edge. Don’t put phones in back pockets.
If staying in London leave backpacks in the room and take a small bag with you that can be zipped and always carry it with the zip head at the front…they can easily unzip from the back and drop their hand in.
Don’t act overly cautious it just draws attention to you. Walk with confidence. When getting on the tube just ask a member of staff which platform and they will direct you quickly and efficiently.
Most importantly do not wear lots of expensive jewellery/watch. I have a crappy fitbit that I wear and it works fine for telling the time and is worth about £5. Don’t take anything you wouldn’t want to lose is our saying.

Final one is never leave a friend behind no matter how much she looks like she is having fun, stay together.

petra Tue 07-Oct-25 14:02:34

CariadAgain

petra

Allira
I’ve seen 2 phone thefts right in front of me in our high street.
One of them so close I jumped back.
Hopefully with the wonderful news last night our phones might be a bit safer.

That must have gone straight over my head.

What "wonderful news last night"?

The police have busted ( part of) a huge gang of mobile phone thieves. 28 arrests. All down to one woman tracking her phone down to the Heathrow distribution centre and one security guard there doing his job and going that extra mile.

Unlike the woman on File on 4 a few weeks back. She tracked her stolen phone to a house. Went to the house and phoned the police from there.
Their response, can you prove that your phone has been stolen and can you prove this is your phone.
There are hundreds of people who have tracked their phones but got no help from the police.
This could have been stopped years ago 😡

CariadAgain Tue 07-Oct-25 14:05:34

Oh! Right....

Some good news....oh...

Was hoping there might have actually been some wonderful news....as we could all do with some...

Danma Tue 07-Oct-25 14:10:43

For peace of mind I’d suggest they use a secure bag like these
Use common sense and not make themselves vulnerable.
London is safer than many parts of the world.

pacsafe.co.uk/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=13127632006&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9JLHBhC-ARIsAK4Phcr6X84xNYLfzwCPXKgoFvLh01p2HhPij_3YFxwWARc9H7_uYAPtmdUaAjBtEALw_wcB

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Oct-25 14:14:14

I think there's a lot of anxiety here.
Please stop worrying.
The vast majority of young people travel the world without problems.

What is "late teens"
18?
You mean adults?

Bellocchild Tue 07-Oct-25 14:15:24

In the unlikely event that they have good jewellery or watches, and certainly top-end mobile phones, don't wear them or use them. Get a cheap second-hand or burner mobile which won't tempt thieves. Put security measures on mobiles so they can't be used.

ZoomTheIceLolly Tue 07-Oct-25 14:17:58

I live in London, I have worked in London all my life, my kids grew up in London. I go out socialising across central and many areas of London. I worked in a job that meant travelling home late at night.

I do my best but I can't help it, most of this makes me roll my eyes.

London is full of young people making their way to and from school on buses and trains from age 11. Teens out and about independently. Women (yes, women!) coming home after work in the dark, women of all ages going out with friends, shopping, bars, theatres, etc - and getting the NIGHT BUS home.

It is a normal city where the vastest majority of people go about in absolute safety. I know that phone snatching has become more common - I don't know ANYONE who has had their phone snatched. I know that people have, it's always good to be aware, but really, can we get some perspective.

And - there won't be a member of staff to ask what tube platform you need. The signs and diagrams are clear and massive. If they are a bit confused on the tube - ask a Londoner - we are generally really helpful to visitors. (You might have seen us helping people with buggies or heavy cases on tube steps)

Your granddaughters will have an amazing time.

My Dc and a few friends went inter-railing for 4 weeks across Europe aged 17. I can't pretend I wasn't a a bit apprehensive, we always are when we see wings being spread. But I didn't do any of this phone tracking etc. And don't ask for constant 'reassuring' updates. If they get too busy and excited to update, or tiredness and activity causes them to go t bed without messaging all it does is cause needless panic. A few stupid selfies and sightseeing pics is great!

Sooze58 Tue 07-Oct-25 14:18:02

No phones out on the street, nor on a table when you’re dining and no handbag (purse) on the back of a chair. I hate London now… ☹️

ZoomTheIceLolly Tue 07-Oct-25 14:21:12

(TLDR: Your SIL is an idiot)

Quizzer Tue 07-Oct-25 14:23:45

London is no worse than any other major city

Oreo Tue 07-Oct-25 14:26:12

It doesn’t hurt to take a few precautions whether a Londoner or a tourist.