Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

What concerns me is that Andrew is being hounded out of his own family, justified or not, for his links with Epstein.

Meanwhile, Peter Mandelson, discovered to have much closer links with Epstein than originally revealed, and an equally shady past, is returning to Britain having been sacked from his post as Ambassador but is still in receipt of his six-figure salary, understood to be on a four-year fixed-term contract.
He has also announced he will remain in the House of Lords.

But of course, another of his best friends is Keir Starmer.

I don’t think our young generation are at all interested in the Royal family I think it will peter out but we ll be long gone.

I m not interested in them at all they have too much money and are greedy about taking money off NHS and others when they could afford to build a hospital or two themselves
If they were less intent on owning so much and a bit more humble I would like them a whole lot more
I think Charles is as good as it gets I don’t dislike hm at all but the whole establishment needs cutting in a quarter (to start with)

I think you are wrong, notgran, Beatrice and Eugene were both working and are settled into a different life. Beatrice is a vice-president at US tech company Afiniti, and Eugenie is a director at an art gallery - Hauser & Wirth. They have their own families and have always kept away from the grubby stuff it seems to me.

NotSpaghetti

I think you are wrong, notgran, Beatrice and Eugene were both working and are settled into a different life. Beatrice is a vice-president at US tech company Afiniti, and Eugenie is a director at an art gallery - Hauser & Wirth. They have their own families and have always kept away from the grubby stuff it seems to me.

If you read ‘Entitled’, the latest book about the Yorks lifestyle, you will see that both Beatrice and Eugenie (particularly Eugenie) have benefitted from their parents dubious dealings for years. Gifts, appointments, job opportunities….

Frequent holidays were part of their normal lifestyle, including massive amounts spent on their security until that was reviewed and clamped down on, much to Andrew’s anger. He fought against it for a long time, but was unsuccessful.

No, B&E have lived a very extravagant lifestyle, even if they are now more settled with husbands and children.

eazybee

What concerns me is that Andrew is being hounded out of his own family, justified or not, for his links with Epstein.

Meanwhile, Peter Mandelson, discovered to have much closer links with Epstein than originally revealed, and an equally shady past, is returning to Britain having been sacked from his post as Ambassador but is still in receipt of his six-figure salary, understood to be on a four-year fixed-term contract.
He has also announced he will remain in the House of Lords.

But of course, another of his best friends is Keir Starmer.

There won’t be revelations about Peter Mandelson of the same nature though, I would wager, as it’s highly unlikely he had illegal sex with underage girls, which is primarily what the Epstein scandal is about. Sex is what sells, rather than friendships and turning a blind eye to others’ activities - unless you know more than has been turned up by the media so far?

Calendargirl

NotSpaghetti

I think you are wrong, notgran, Beatrice and Eugene were both working and are settled into a different life. Beatrice is a vice-president at US tech company Afiniti, and Eugenie is a director at an art gallery - Hauser & Wirth. They have their own families and have always kept away from the grubby stuff it seems to me.

If you read ‘Entitled’, the latest book about the Yorks lifestyle, you will see that both Beatrice and Eugenie (particularly Eugenie) have benefitted from their parents dubious dealings for years. Gifts, appointments, job opportunities….

Frequent holidays were part of their normal lifestyle, including massive amounts spent on their security until that was reviewed and clamped down on, much to Andrew’s anger. He fought against it for a long time, but was unsuccessful.

No, B&E have lived a very extravagant lifestyle, even if they are now more settled with husbands and children.

Beatrice and Eugenie are independently wealthy though, they have trust funds from their parents divorce settlement, and from the Queen Mother. They are both married to independently wealthy men as well, Beatrice’s husband is a multi millionaire. I don’t think they are struggling financially at all.

Whatever will they live on?…………Hang on a minute, didn’t I see that Tesco are recruiting seasonal staff? I can just imagine Andrew and Sarah order picking and shelf stacking.

He’s disgraced his family and that should be his ultimate regret. Never liked him there’s always one black sheep in the family and he’s it.

No real time for the girls…l what they live on for a day would keep our grandkids for a year Very very entitled lifestyles and neither started with a paper round did they or a year part time in MacDs? amazing that they ve managed such high positions in the world of work !!!!

Calendargirl I wasn't saying that they hadn't benefited or led a privileged life - I just think they are very settled and would not be selling books about it (which is what notgran said she thought they would do.).

ixion

Will he continue to be a Counsellor of State?

That's rum list, if ever there was one.

He is technically a Counsellor of State but won't be called upon to carry out those duties. That also applies to Harry.

BlueBelle

No real time for the girls…l what they live on for a day would keep our grandkids for a year Very very entitled lifestyles and neither started with a paper round did they or a year part time in MacDs? amazing that they ve managed such high positions in the world of work !!!!

They have done nothing wrong though, so it’s a bit harsh to criticise them for living the life they were born into. I think they deserve our sympathy at the moment, as would any children whose parent has been involved in the activities their father was.

LovesBach

At the time of the revelations about Andrew and Virginia Giuffre, it was suggested that the settlement was made because of the Queen's Jubilee. Had the case come to court, or not settled so quickly, it would have cast a damaging shadow over her special year.

Yes.

There can be pay offs for all sorts of reasons.

I don't know where this leaves my poor teddy. I was given him when Andrew was born and I named him after the new baby prince: Andrew Albert, Maigret, Christian, Panda. (Maigret as I thought that was the last word in sophistication at the time. Well I was only a very wee girl.) So he's now just plain Andrew Panda to me.

MayBee70

fancythat

Harry betrays.

Has Andrew been found guilty of anything?
Not saying he isnt guilty. But has he?

Has this suddenly happened because Guiffre’s posthumous book is about to be published?

No idea.
But could well be.

Aveline

I don't know where this leaves my poor teddy. I was given him when Andrew was born and I named him after the new baby prince: Andrew Albert, Maigret, Christian, Panda. (Maigret as I thought that was the last word in sophistication at the time. Well I was only a very wee girl.) So he's now just plain Andrew Panda to me.

A relative used to have a painting[a replica I suppose] by Rolf Har ris. Not sure what happened to that either!

What concerns me is that Andrew is being hounded out of his own family, justified or not, for his links with Epstein.

Or is things "just" work related? In reality?

NotSpaghetti

I think you are wrong, notgran, Beatrice and Eugene were both working and are settled into a different life. Beatrice is a vice-president at US tech company Afiniti, and Eugenie is a director at an art gallery - Hauser & Wirth. They have their own families and have always kept away from the grubby stuff it seems to me.

Working? Did they interview for the positions? Are they struggling to work and look after little ones? Do they deforst the car at 7 am and drive to work?

That doesn't matter. They keep a low profile and don't discredit the royal family in any way.

Aveline

That doesn't matter. They keep a low profile and don't discredit the royal family in any way.

And that's as good as it gets?

They and the rest of them could do so much for so many.

I'll never forgive the hideous self serving Fergie for apparently showing an interest in a local project. The building is derelict, no youth service, no nothing.

B and E do not walk on the same planet as most residents.

fancythat

MayBee70

fancythat

Harry betrays.

Has Andrew been found guilty of anything?
Not saying he isnt guilty. But has he?

Has this suddenly happened because Guiffre’s posthumous book is about to be published?

No idea.
But could well be.

It was revealed earlier this week that despite his assurances during the Maitliss interview that after the infamous 4 day visit to NYC (to "nobly" inform Epstein they could no longer friends,) he had had absolutely no further contact with him, he was in reality emailing him long after this, telling him "we are in the together".

No doubt the imminent publication of Guiffre's book may have moved things along.

I would supect this has more to do with William and Charles than it does about Andrew personally. I'm not convinced he is that "noble" to have come forward and willingly relinquish all his titles.

Looking back, hasn't there always been a member of the royal family who behaved badly? Princess Margaret wasn't a paragon of virtue, Edward 8th was a Nazi and Edward 7th had the morals of an alley cat. And so it goes on.

Interesting thought Casdon. Do you think that our children and grandchildren will grow more interested in royalty as they grow older? I suspect that my children, age between thirty and late forties, will not, as they have shown no enthusiasm as yet.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I have to declare that I am a lifelong Republican.

I named him after the new baby prince: Andrew Albert, Maigret, Christian, Panda. (Maigret as I thought that was the last word in sophistication at the time

My first laugh of the day 😂 Thank you, Aveline

Chocolatelovinggran

Interesting thought Casdon. Do you think that our children and grandchildren will grow more interested in royalty as they grow older? I suspect that my children, age between thirty and late forties, will not, as they have shown no enthusiasm as yet.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I have to declare that I am a lifelong Republican.

Yes, I do think that’s the case Chocolatelovinggran, it runs along with people becoming more conservative as they age. I remember reading an article about that years ago, which I’ve revisited a number of times. Here it is.
theconversation.com/hard-evidence-do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-47910