What are they actually doing in America to stop Trump?

Trump isn't connecting with Americans except for his hardline supporters who still think he's wonderful. Even many Republicans who previously backed Trump are sick of him, and except for some Reform voters, over here, he's not liked by anyone else.
I wanted to give Trump tbe benefit of the doubt, but after Greenland and remarks about British veterans, he can do one. My boss served in Afghanistan, was decorated for rescuing a man from a burning tank, so I think we did more than sit in barracks.

AGAA4

Smileless2012

This from a man who lied to avoid military service.

Just heard a labour minister Stephen Kinnock on BBC breakfast say he was "disappointed" regarding Trump's comment. Disappointed!!! he should have said disgusted .

I thought the response from Kinnock was cowardly. "Disappointed" is so insipid.

Yes, this tippy-toeing type of diplomacy is what is "disappointing".
Trump's comments were outrageous and a bloody insult to all those who lost their lives or suffered appalling injuries through answering the call of duty from a supposed ally. Not to mention their families.
"Trump provokes outrage" scream the headlines. Not from Kinnock though,,,
I don't like Kemi Badenoch, but she, at least, showed some backbone and called Trump's observations "Flat-out nonsense' and "an absolute insult".
When is the Labour party going to stiffen its spine and call this man out for what he is - let's face it, diplomacy isn't working anyway. Diplomacy and appeasement never does with ignorant bullies, it simply emboldens them further.

Smileless2012

This from a man who lied to avoid military service.

Just heard a labour minister Stephen Kinnock on BBC breakfast say he was "disappointed" regarding Trump's comment. Disappointed!!! he should have said disgusted .

I thought the response from Kinnock was cowardly. "Disappointed" is so insipid.

This from a man who lied to avoid military service.

Just heard a labour minister Stephen Kinnock on BBC breakfast say he was "disappointed" regarding Trump's comment. Disappointed!!! he should have said disgusted .

Ladyleftfieldlover

The latest trump pronouncement has left me seething. Talking about Afghanistan he admitted we did send troops but kept well away from the front line… my elder son was a Royal Marine back then and served in Afghanistan and Iraq. He and his mates were definitely on the front line. He told me stories which would make you weep.

Neither trump nor any of his family ever served in the military.

The latest trump pronouncement has left me seething.

I think there will be many who are insulted by his mockery - he really is a piece of work isn't he.
He has form on insulting veterans...

He's commander-in-chief, and has never been anywhere near a front line. But he crosses just about every line of decency and civility... that's when he's not busy suing various organisations who've had the temerity to oppose him for $billions.
Avaricious, ignorant, inarticulate, nasty and spiteful man - I don't know how people can still support him. But, they will, that's for sure. He really could shoot someone "on Fifth Avenue" - as he said, and they'd still love him.
Ugh!

Looking at some of the memes appearing on social media I think Trump is more and more becoming a figure of fun.

The latest trump pronouncement has left me seething. Talking about Afghanistan he admitted we did send troops but kept well away from the front line… my elder son was a Royal Marine back then and served in Afghanistan and Iraq. He and his mates were definitely on the front line. He told me stories which would make you weep.

Neither trump nor any of his family ever served in the military.

Maremia

I wonder if Trump thought he had achieved the Art of the Deal about Greenland/Iceland or was it TACO again?
(Trump always chickens out)

It seems to be his modus operandi... this is what I want, I'm gonna have it, and if you try to stop me I'll stick you with some more tariffs - or I might use force.
So the world jitters, the markets are spooked (once again) - and then he climbs down.
Some Art, eh?
If there's one word in the English language I'm already sick of hearing, it's the word "deal".

I wonder if Trump thought he had achieved the Art of the Deal about Greenland/Iceland or was it TACO again?
(Trump always chickens out)

Galaxy

The progressives just have different lies.
Those of us who raised concerns about those lies were frequently dismissed as bigots, far right, etc.

I'd never describe myself as 'progressive' - in fact, I don't know if I'm drilled, bored or countersunk, but you have a point.

The lie that men could become women ceased when someone decided that the sign should no longer be put up in the shop window, so to speak.

It's what follows after that matters.

Possibly Mark Rutte! He seems to be close to Trump and could sway him.

Whitewavemark2

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

That doesn’t mean however he won’t give it another go.

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

Is that true? Where is the evidence that he's losing support? Do you mean the electorate or the bods at the top?

I can imagine he's quietly being told to tone it down a bit, but individuals like Miller etc seem quite bullish.

However, he certainly has changed his tune... yet again, so I suppose someone or something made him decide to roll back on the tariffs threat.

Yes, populist don't just spout propaganda, they also spout racism.

How anyone can take seriously a leader who just blows back and forth with the wind is beyond me. Threats issued off the cuff, then withdrawn are his style.

We have no choice but to be concerned - but believe what he says every time he mouths off? - I don't think so.

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

That doesn’t mean however he won’t give it another go.

Carney was a good speaker, by comparison Trump sounded ridiculous, apparently thanking himself for all the great things he has done for the world. Looks like there is nothing to sort out internationally or in the US, Trump has sorted it all out. Perhaps next time he should don a cape and the Superman logo.

LemonJam well said.

I thought Mark Carney's speech yesterday was timely as it preceded Trump at Davos on the world stage- and Trump seen in contrast was to his detriment. I thought Carney demonstrated powerful leadership. Carney's speech also struck a nerve with Trump- who retaliated later to Carney, in his own speech in a childish, petulant way... Trump also seemingly backed down on Tariff retaliation and using force in Greenland. Did Carney's speech on the Davos world stage have any impact on Trump's advisors such as they advised Trump to tone down his rhetoric and actions- maybe...



Carney articulated and stood up for the values of international co operation and the need for shared rules and open economies. Trump threatens that and Carney holds no fear whatsoever in standing up for his values and beliefs, on the world stage- other leaders have been more reticent

Maremia

I didn't know that 'populists' were promoting 'don't run societies on lies no one believes'.
I thought populists spouted 'propaganda'.

No, populists don’t just spout propaganda where did you hear that?
Carney’s speech was timely maybe but not brilliant.As Galaxy says it’s what anyone with common sense says and has been thinking.

The progressives just have different lies.
Those of us who raised concerns about those lies were frequently dismissed as bigots, far right, etc.

I didn't know that 'populists' were promoting 'don't run societies on lies no one believes'.
I thought populists spouted 'propaganda'.

How was it brilliant. It was what many people have been saying for years.
The importance of national sovereignty, strong industrial base, and don't run societies on lies that no one believes.
Five minutes ago people were called populists etc for what Carney was saying.

Carney's speech was brilliant. Canada are so lucky to have this strong, intelligent and experienced man as their leader. He should be in the running for a Nobel prize.

Maremia

Interesting speech in Davos from Carney, about the new world order.

Yes, it was well worth reading.

In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The Power of the Powerless. And in it, he asked a simple question: How did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window: "Workers of the world, unite!" He doesn't believe it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists.

Not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this "living within a lie." The system's power comes not from its truth but from everyone's willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source: when even one person stops performing — when the greengrocer removes his sign — the illusion begins to crack.

... etc

Meanwhile, what are they doing in Europe? Not sure how it works, but Denmark plans to sell off American 'debt'.