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“Shakespeare was a black woman” - now I’ve heard it all!

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RosiesMawagain Sat 24-Jan-26 13:08:22

From today’s newspaper
William Shakespeare was a “black Jewish woman”, according to a new book
It claims that the truth of Shakespearean authorship has been hidden by centuries of “Western-centric and Eurocentric ideology”
The author contends that the real Bard was a cosmopolitan woman with a “multicultural identity
This woman is identified in the new work, titled The Real Shakespeare, as the historical figure Emilia Bassano – a poet with connections to the Tudor court
Bassano, it is claimed, used the pen-name “Shakespeare” and wrote the Shakespearean canon of plays, only for her work to be stolen by an uneducated interloper from Stratford-upon-Avon.
This interloper, whom we now know as William Shakespeare, was then revered by posterity because the idea of a “white” genius was preferred to a black female playwright, the book argues

I think I’ll give this one a miss!

Rosie51 Sun 25-Jan-26 01:14:24

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Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 09:19:10

How many of your grandchildren study Shakespeare in school, to tthe extent that we did?
When was the last time one of your grandchildren went to the theatre to see one of his plays?
Yes, there are plenty of modern adaptations, for example the musical 'And Juliet'.
But, once our generation shuffles off our mortal coil, who will remember?

Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 09:41:14

I am in my fifties and therefore still have a child who is a young man. He studied Romeo and Julliet for gcse and king lear for a levels.

Witzend Sun 25-Jan-26 09:45:07

David49

Plenty of diverse casting in plays today, but its pretty sure the Shakespeare was a white male and went to school at Stratford.
However because he never set foot out of England he had many colaborators recounting tales from overseas.
He isnt historically accurate, he was playing to please a Tudor audience, his first play was Henry VI when he was 26 plenty of time to learn the titled way of speaking.

Besides the audience, he also had to please (or at least not annoy/enrage) whoever was in power at the time, or face jail/charges of treason.

BlueBelle Sun 25-Jan-26 09:51:06

I have always loathed Shakespeare ever since we did the Merchant of Venice at school and the very daft midsummers nights dream…. ugh

Allira Sun 25-Jan-26 09:55:13

He isnt historically accurate

He was writing plays, not history text books.
Poetic (or artistic) licence.

So many of his phrases endure today and are used in everyday speech.
He was a genius and to try to take that away from him for whatever reason is to deny that an ordinary grammar school boy can be a genius.

TerriBull Sun 25-Jan-26 10:01:27

I loved doing Romeo and Juliet at school, it's one of his plays that can transpose time and lends itself to umpteen different settings such as the one used in West Side Story in that it's very relatable to teens I think. My husband got tickets for a performance of it at the Royal Shakespeare, Stratford quite a few birthdays ago.

We also did Henry IV Part 2 at school, during which I practically lost the will to live, completely lost. When o/h told me he'd got tickets for a Shakespeare play from my school days. I had a nano second of panic, please not Henry 1V part 2, I'll never survive itshock

Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:14:59

I loved Hamlet, much preferred it to Macbeth which we also studied. I was 17 when I saw my first production of Hamlet, I can still remember the awe in watching that production.
My son actually preferred King Lear to Romeo and Julliet.

Allira Sun 25-Jan-26 10:15:03

We went to plays at Stratford from school and I'll always remember them; brought to life by such great actors as Ian Holm, Dinsdale Landen, Dorothy Tutin etc.

Aveline Sun 25-Jan-26 10:16:43

Shakespeare didn't write documentaries! He wrote to entertain. He did that cleverly and well.

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 10:21:44

Yes, I too am a fan of Shakespeare, and despite its dark themes, Midsummer Night's Dream is my favourite.
Last play I watched live, ten years ago, was Macbeth and it was a thrill to remember so many of the lines.
Have a look at your children's and grandchildren's libraries next time you visit, and count the number of 'Shakespeare' book they have.

Allira Sun 25-Jan-26 10:29:19

Maremia

Yes, I too am a fan of Shakespeare, and despite its dark themes, Midsummer Night's Dream is my favourite.
Last play I watched live, ten years ago, was Macbeth and it was a thrill to remember so many of the lines.
Have a look at your children's and grandchildren's libraries next time you visit, and count the number of 'Shakespeare' book they have.

I can't think of Macbeth without remembering going to see a production at the boys' grammar school when I was a schoolgirl.

Of course, the boys had to take the female parts, as was traditional of course, in Shakespeare's time, but one of our best friends played Lady Macbeth complete with a lot of stage makeup 😀

Oreo Sun 25-Jan-26 10:38:47

Maremia

How many of your grandchildren study Shakespeare in school, to tthe extent that we did?
When was the last time one of your grandchildren went to the theatre to see one of his plays?
Yes, there are plenty of modern adaptations, for example the musical 'And Juliet'.
But, once our generation shuffles off our mortal coil, who will remember?

Are you actually serious?!
Do you mean that when we are gone nobody will study Shakespeare’s plays and sonnets or enjoy going to see them?
He’s lasted for several hundred years so far and I can’t see that stopping in say 20 or 30 years time.
It would be a poor kind of school that didn’t include at least studying and reading one of his plays.
My grandchildren aren’t old enough to go to Stratford to see a play but both my daughters have, and more than once.

Cossy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:39:54

Aveline

Why do black people want to claim our heritage and stories. There must be many many legends and stories stretching back into the countries where black people originated in the past.

I find your comment offensive (I’m a white woman) I don’t think anyone has stated it’s a black person who has come up with this “story”

Cossy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:45:11

I don’t think we need to “fear” Shakespeare “disappearing”

Mr Google says:

“The GCSE English Literature syllabus for 2026, particularly for English (9-1) qualifications, will continue to assess core skills in Shakespeare, 19th-century novels, modern texts, and poetry (anthology & unseen), with exam boards like AQA, Edexcel, and WJEC outlining specific texts for 2024-2026, but students should focus on core skills, text analysis (language, structure, themes), and exam technique across genres, preparing for exams that test detailed text knowledge and comparative analysis.”

Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:49:22

Study if a Shakespeare play is mandatory in A levels.

Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:49:27

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Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:50:52

Actually it is a mandatory part of the national curriculum from 11. Has been since 1989 I think.

Doodledog Sun 25-Jan-26 11:47:08

The timing for the release of this book is 'fortuitous', what with Hamnet out now and a new Hamlet coming in February grin.

There was a book in 2010 or so that suggested that the dark lady was a brothel-keeper, 'Black Lucy' with whom Shakespeare spent nights when he was in London. Who knows? He was a young man away from home - it's possible. I think that is far more likely than that Shakespeare was a black woman, but I don't know if it is the case either. It's all interesting to read, if you are a Shakespeare fan, but no more than that, IMO.

As I often say, worrying about 'the facts' hundreds of years after events is pointless. We don't know the facts about other people's personal lives - we only know what is written, usually by others, and nobody can see inside the minds of other people, yet there are many who think they can, and that their opinions are 'facts'. Even today, we don't know what happened at the Beckham wedding - despite the existence of tiny recording devices, social media, and global interest in their brand - yet people are arguing about who is to blame, and what their motives must be. People love to take sides, whether the arguments have anything to do with them or not.

When it comes to Shakespeare, there are few facts. We know where he was born, where he went to school and where his Stratford on Avon bases were. We know he married Anne, but not where (there is no record of the wedding, although there is some evidence that the banns were not read at Holy Trinity (their parish church). This might be because Anne was pregnant at the time, but again, that is superimposing modern views on a very different time. We know where he was buried, although there are those who believe that the man lying next to Anne and Susannah in the chancel of Holy Trinity is not the playwright, but a random Stratfordian who somehow has been mistaken for a brilliant poet and playwright. We know that his signature (as written at various points in his life) is very unclear and apparently unpractised, which seems odd, given that he spent so much time writing. We know that he left the Midlands to work in London, and that he came back again when he 'retired', and that he lived with his family, when he could easily have afforded to set up home somewhere else had he separated from them.

Otherwise, not much is known for sure. He left SoA not long after his twins were baptised, and was not heard of again until about 7 years later, when the 'upstart crow' reference was made by Greene. There have been various attempts to plug that gap in his biography - he was a teacher, a poacher, a soldier, he went around the world with Francis Drake (!) and more.

The facts we have can be put together in various ways to tell various stories, which change depending on the times. It used to be thought that his marriage was forced, and that he was away so much to get away from his family, but now there is a shift to a very different view. All supposition. For reasons I don't understand, people get very hung up on defending the views they were taught, which are no more likely to be true than the ones being put forward now. History evolves - it wouldn't exist otherwise. Without evolution there would be a need for only one definitive account of the world and events, and historians wouldn't exist. Outside of dry records of births, marriages and deaths, and partisan accounts of battles and revolutions it is all a series of 'What ifs'. New information can come along, but that is rare. More often than not, though, History is reinterpreting what is already there.

I doubt I'll read the new book, but I will be interested to see whether the ideas in it take hold.

TerriBull Sun 25-Jan-26 12:04:45

Another theory and just a theory, because it isn't corroborated, he appeared at one time to have a long period of absence. Was he in Italy? As so many of his plays were based there. Also I've read he was possibly a closet Catholic at a very dangerous time to be one. I think there's a lot of conjecture about someone whose life's works were written words but an absence of written words about what he was up to half of the time.

Lovetopaint037 Sun 25-Jan-26 12:11:04

Every time I read this type of thing I shout out “What about the first folio?”Shakespeare’s friends and fellow actors who knew and worked with him gathered his work together in order that it wouldn’t be forgotten. Without their efforts we would have lost so much. Yet time and time again this is dismissed in favour of some research which some modern day annoying article produces to gain some attention. Baa humbug.

Witzend Sun 25-Jan-26 12:34:01

Rosie51

Maremia

But they are all fascinating, and keep his work alive.

I really don't think one of the most well known and performed writers this world has known needs this kind of drivel to keep his work alive.

Well said! 👏

Rosie51 Sun 25-Jan-26 12:49:14

Maremia

How many of your grandchildren study Shakespeare in school, to tthe extent that we did?
When was the last time one of your grandchildren went to the theatre to see one of his plays?
Yes, there are plenty of modern adaptations, for example the musical 'And Juliet'.
But, once our generation shuffles off our mortal coil, who will remember?

My grandchild who attends a school for children with complex, low incidence special educational needs has been exposed to Shakespeare. If children with severe learning difficulties are taught about Shakespeare then I'd suggest mainstream children will be getting at least the same.

I wonder why you think the next generation or two are going to be so very different in their appreciation of great writing?

Basgetti Sun 25-Jan-26 12:51:52

Aveline

Why do black people want to claim our heritage and stories. There must be many many legends and stories stretching back into the countries where black people originated in the past.

We all originate from the same place.

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 12:53:12

One of the best books on Shakespeare that I read was on the flowers that he would have come across where he lived.
It lost out in a people's vote competition to 'How clean is your House'.