Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

I meant AMW, he has been caught like a fish on a hook with this.

But it is not just one photograph. There are emails about him being provided with women, both in the UK and elsewhere.

The facts of the matter are that in that interview with Emily Maitlis, nearly 7 years ago. he lied and lied and lied, and no matter how much evidence from the Epstein files is published that shows his friendship with Epstein was based on their mutual sexual entertainment. He is still not admitting any involvment with Epstein, the closeness of their friendship or its basis, nor is he showing any belated compassion for the girls groomed into Epstein's circle and then coerced and trafficked.

As for his execrable wife, flirting with Epstein and trying to get money from him!

David49

The only proof that Andrew met Guiffre is one photograph, he must have been photographed with dozens of women, that is not proof that he broke any law.

You simply cannot condenm anyone in that way or are we going to change the standard for conviction.

Interesting that you call Mountbatten-Windsor by his first name but the victim by her surname, David1949.

🤔

What does that say about your attitude towards all this?

Victim-blaming?

I wonder if one of the reasons AMW refuses to give evidence in the US is because he has been warned off?

I believe there are some powerful men involved .

This is the ultimate irony - I read this just now, how could she be so gullible?
news.sky.com/story/emails-reveal-plan-for-jeffrey-epstein-to-own-majority-stake-in-sarah-ferguson-brand-after-child-sex-offence-conviction-13503343

Casdon

Keep up David49. The balance of probabilities.
news.sky.com/story/epstein-files-live-clintons-mandelson-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-trump-investigation-latest-13501106?postid=10988833#liveblog-body

The balance of probabilities dont count in criminal law, there is not going to be a civil trial because there is no money to go for, Andrew is broke living on his brothers chartiy.

Casdon

This is the ultimate irony - I read this just now, how could she be so gullible?
news.sky.com/story/emails-reveal-plan-for-jeffrey-epstein-to-own-majority-stake-in-sarah-ferguson-brand-after-child-sex-offence-conviction-13503343

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

It remains to be seen what will happen David49, unless your crystal ball is working. We don’t yet know the full extent of what will be revealed in the current tranche of papers let alone the redacted information,

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Reverse the last two statements and you have your answer.
Money.

David49

Casdon

Keep up David49. The balance of probabilities.
news.sky.com/story/epstein-files-live-clintons-mandelson-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-trump-investigation-latest-13501106?postid=10988833#liveblog-body

The balance of probabilities dont count in criminal law, there is not going to be a civil trial because there is no money to go for, Andrew is broke living on his brothers chartiy.

Does that make AMW an honest man completely free of guilt?

eazybee

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Reverse the last two statements and you have your answer.
Money.

Not necessarily. Because a lot of the people were rich anyway.

foxie48

David49

Casdon

Keep up David49. The balance of probabilities.
news.sky.com/story/epstein-files-live-clintons-mandelson-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-trump-investigation-latest-13501106?postid=10988833#liveblog-body

The balance of probabilities dont count in criminal law, there is not going to be a civil trial because there is no money to go for, Andrew is broke living on his brothers chartiy.

Does that make AMW an honest man completely free of guilt?

There is probably only one person who knows what actually happened Ghislane Maxwell, she is saying nothing. Is AMW honest, probably not, but there has to be a lot more actual evidence before a criminal case will go forward.

MayBee70

eazybee

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Reverse the last two statements and you have your answer.
Money.

Not necessarily. Because a lot of the people were rich anyway.

He gave people what they wanted, in a circle of other people with similar aims, which none of them thought would be revealed to those outside it. For most of them it was more about sex, power and influence than it was about money I would guess.

As I’ve just mentioned on another thread it was also about being introduced to the right people. Epstein was able to be all things to all people. Of course he couldn’t’ve been able to do it without the money.

MayBee70

Casdon

This is the ultimate irony - I read this just now, how could she be so gullible?
news.sky.com/story/emails-reveal-plan-for-jeffrey-epstein-to-own-majority-stake-in-sarah-ferguson-brand-after-child-sex-offence-conviction-13503343

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Gullible, because she was desperate for cash, its clear that Epstein was maipulating influential and powerful people, using women to get them into compromising situations and then blackmailing them for information. In Epsteins case all for financial gain, AMW was just window dressing adding credibility, he wouldnt have much useful information in the way Mandelson and others would.

Having a Royal as part of the deceit added a lot to Epsteins credibility but AMW just wasnt smart enough to see that, he didnt think beyond the flattery.

What a vile circle surrounded and enabled Epstein. Sick lot. Don't tell me their wives didn't know and turned a blind eye.. Just as guilty.

I watched Question Time last night or attempted to. No surprise that the first question was on Sir Keir Starmer appointing Mandelson as US Ambassador. However, I lasted about 4 minutes because Fiona Bruce just has to interrupt. She asks someone on the panel to reply to the question then rudely butts in. She loves the sound of her own voice. I wish they would replace her.

Andrew is broke

I think not.

Allsorts

What a vile circle surrounded and enabled Epstein. Sick lot. Don't tell me their wives didn't know and turned a blind eye.. Just as guilty.

The kind of men who surrounded Epstein, if they had wives, had trophy wives, bought for their youth and looks and often meeting them through a social circle that included people like Epstein.

The one wife who saw through Epstein and immediately pulled out was Melinda Gates. It contributed to the breakdown of her marriage to him. But then she was an intelligent, educated and self supporting woman.

David49 men like Epstein are looking for social approval and acceptance o go with their dodgy money and to have a member of the British Royal family among your friendship group, gives a man like Epstein social cachet. We know that AMW invited him and Ghislaine Maxwell to stay at Balmoral and it seems they were also invited to a private lunchc/tea at tbuckingham Palalce. Not something most American social climbers can boast about.

Sarah Ferguson is revealed through Epstein's emails as the one constantly needing money, and prepared to do anything to get it, including bringing her daughters, aged 19 and 20 as requested by him, to tea at Epstein's house She knew exactly what was going on, and is rapidly turning into the villain of the piece. I wonder who she has latched on to now to support her.

I watched MalindaGates being interviewed.
It was obvious that the interviewer was trying to get some salacious gossip.
Obviously they didn’t know Malinda Gates. She was so dignified in her responses.

MayBee70

eazybee

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Reverse the last two statements and you have your answer.
Money.

Not necessarily. Because a lot of the people were rich anyway.

Rich people are never rich enough- the evidence for that is all around us.

I remember a proverb I heard the radio years ago:

'The man who knows when enough is enough, always has enough.'

Maxwell will keep her mouth shut. You know what happens to people who speak out ? Sudden unexpected accidents or ‘suicides’.

What really interests me is where Epstein got his money from initially. He was obviously fabulously rich. Who is going to inherit his money? Karyna Shuliak, a 36-year-old Belarusian dentist, is the prime beneficiary of a will the paedophile signed two days before his death. She gets 100million dollars and all his properties, very interesting!

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/02/06/sarah-ferguson-unpaid-debts-drove-andrew-into-epstein-arms/

This makes some reason why AMW continued contact with Epstein