Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

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MayBee70

eazybee

I watched that BBC documentary about coercive control the other night. It got me thinking about how Epstein managed to manipulate and control so many people. And how did he become so rich?

Reverse the last two statements and you have your answer.
Money.

Not necessarily. Because a lot of the people were rich anyway.

Rich people are never rich enough- the evidence for that is all around us.

I remember a proverb I heard the radio years ago:

'The man who knows when enough is enough, always has enough.'

When your as rich as craccus you have to get you kicks somewhere.
John Paul Getty was known as the meanest of men. He openly admitted that’s how he got his fix.
It was rumoured that he had a pay phone in his palatial home.

Wondering what other peoples take is on a recent YouTube video. It's called "A mortician explains why this photo doesn't make sense" by a channel run by Lauren the Mortician.

It features a "just after the event" photo of Epstein - ie just after we were told he'd died. She does an absolute blow by blow account of what she's used to seeing dead people look like in her job and compares it to what he looks like in that photo.

It felt to me like confirmation of the fact I felt that behind that face he was still in there and was smiling to himself. She's very clear he does not look the way she knows dead bodies look and basically states he was still alive and pretending to be dead and then cites all sorts of facts to prove it.

That's been followed by a recent photo of 3 men walking along together in guess which country (hope he popped in to see Netanyahu whilst there) and it does look very much like it's Epstein in the middle - with his hair gone a bit longer and a bit straggly and wearing a pair of sunglasses. I'm not sure about the photo - but that man in the middle certainly looks like a bit older/more tired Epstein. Only reason I'm holding back on that is just in case it's AI (but it doesnt look like it to me) and because I had the surreal experience years back of a woman walking in at my workplace 2' away from me/talking to me across the desk and I wondered why my friend didn't seem to recognise me - her identical looks/her way of dressing/her voice and I wondered whether to ring my friend and say "Have you got a twin? because......"and so I know there occasionally is someone who looks absolutely like a duplicate of someone else - but it is a different person.

eazybee

Sarah Ferguson is revealed through Epstein's emails as the one constantly needing money, and prepared to do anything to get it, including bringing her daughters, aged 19 and 20 as requested by him, to tea at Epstein's house She knew exactly what was going on, and is rapidly turning into the villain of the piece. I wonder who she has latched on to now to support her.

She is a foolish, greedy woman, but the villain of the piece? I think not.

It seems likely unfortunately that there are many villians in this story.

That is true Galaxy, which is why I said she is not the villain. That has to be Epstein. In the Epstein villains premiership she is near the bottom of the table I would expect.

Maybe but maybe those lower level villians enable the higher level villians to flourish. All of it is depressing.

On that we agree. Every day brings new horrors.

Casdon

That is true Galaxy, which is why I said she is not the villain. That has to be Epstein. In the Epstein villains premiership she is near the bottom of the table I would expect.

Epstein is the evil spider at the centre of this vast, sticky web.

This one is just weird. Did he want to become immortal?
edition.cnn.com/2026/02/06/politics/jeffrey-epstein-genetic-test-joseph-thakuria-harvard

Irrespective of the usual descriptors of Epstein, ie billionaire financier and peadophile, he must have had an absolutely magnetic personality to have drawn so many wealthy people into his web of influence. If only he'd survived the not at all suspicious 'suicide'. What a lot he'd have to tell.

That was interesting, CariadAgain, but I didn't take to the "mortician" Very posey/flirty with her post-recording insertions of little comments, "Look at me, I know all this morbid stuff, but I am so girly and attractive" style.

How on earth did you come across her? Accidentally?

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Elegran

That was interesting, CariadAgain, but I didn't take to the "mortician" Very posey/flirty with her post-recording insertions of little comments, "Look at me, I know all this morbid stuff, but I am so girly and attractive" style.

I'm not keen on her personal style - but it is what it is and it's the information I want.

YouTube puts up videos from topics we've shown interest in generally and so it came up as a suggestion from there.

Casdon

What I am saying Smileless2012 is that as the evidence mounts, it becomes less and less likely that he is not guilty. Every day there are new pieces of the Epstein files jigsaw being pieced together, and every one of those pieces stacks up. It’s correct to say that someone is innocent until proved guilty, but the probability that they are increases as the evidence does. I’m not anti royalist by the way, I’m only a realist.

How do you get around Maxwell, with her in the background, confirming that the photo of AMW and VG was taken at her London home and is genuine? AMW has consistently lied that it was fake. Not the actions of a man with nothing to hide.

It’s not just about one photograph, on one occasion though. It’s about the 3000 mentions in the files, the sexual innuendo in emails, the record of him on planes, the reports of his affairs, the Andrew Lownie (well referenced) book, the corroboration. The fact that his family spent a lot of money, then took his titles away. It’s cumulative evidence, from numerous different and unconnected sources, so it’s not all going to be wrong.

Well - someone has just analysed that recent (ie since Epstein's death/"death") photo of him in Palestine (Tel Aviv) with those other two men with AI.

Back came a response to the question they asked of "Is this photo real? Is it a real photo? Is it really him" and a step-by-step breakdown by AI - concluding with a firm "Yep....it's him...bit older and tattier-looking. But it is him".

Hmmm....

CariadAgain
Interesting point. With everything AI can do, the onus is soon going to be on having to prove that the photo is actually genuine.

Casdon

It’s not just about one photograph, on one occasion though. It’s about the 3000 mentions in the files, the sexual innuendo in emails, the record of him on planes, the reports of his affairs, the Andrew Lownie (well referenced) book, the corroboration. The fact that his family spent a lot of money, then took his titles away. It’s cumulative evidence, from numerous different and unconnected sources, so it’s not all going to be wrong.

All of which adds up to absolutely nothing in criminal evidence terms, AMW may well be a liar and a fool who has brought his whole world down and embarrassed his family greatly.
There no criminal evidence yet, with thousands of documents examined Im actually quite suprised nothing incriminating has been revealed

Having affairs isnt illegal, he was single anyway, lying isnt illegal, innuendo isnt illegal.

Why are you obsessed with criminal evidence David49? Unless all the redacted files are released, we must appreciate that people will not be prosecuted, specifically because lawyers have spent months sanitising what we see. That does not mean people are not guilty, or that we should discount the pieces we do know.

Criminal evidence is important Casdon as without it we don’t know if he’s guilty or not!
Enjoying parties and young women isn’t against the law.
It’s seedy and it’s brought the RF into disrepute but more than that we can’t say.

They walk amongst us. We have an extremely good idea that he is guilty Oreo. It is only a matter of time until the conclusive proof is produced, when the redacted files are released, probably after Trump has died.

I would say Sarah Ferguson is the villain of the piece with regard to the Fall of the House of York, in her constant demands for money, which was spent as soon as it reached her bank account. The notorious photograph of Epstein and Andrew walking in the Park was apparently was a meeting to discuss Sarah's need for more money to pay off debts of (possibly) £5 million. Referred to in the emails in the Files.

Oh, by the way, Mandelson's two homes (Camden and Wiltshire) are being searched by the police. No charges made.

eazybee

I would say Sarah Ferguson is the villain of the piece with regard to the Fall of the House of York, in her constant demands for money, which was spent as soon as it reached her bank account. The notorious photograph of Epstein and Andrew walking in the Park was apparently was a meeting to discuss Sarah's need for more money to pay off debts of (possibly) £5 million. Referred to in the emails in the Files.

Words fail me.