Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

Evidence?
Does a witness statement count as evidence?
Which witness do we believe?
The male witness or the female witness?
The alleged perp, or the alleged victim?

It would now appear that the dodgy dealings go beyond those we know. Misuse of the trade envoy role?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kldw1e0w3o

Galaxy

Maybe but maybe those lower level villians enable the higher level villians to flourish. All of it is depressing.

There are the clever villians (Epstein and Mandelson) and the stupid villians (AMW and his ex-wife Sarah Feguson).

The stupid vllains had one pursuit in life, chasing anyone who they thought would be prepared to pay them to live in a style they thought they were entitled to, but could not afford.

The clever villains paid the stupid villains so that they could be used as pawns to give the clevers a veneer of respectability, while they continued there less than honest money making opportunities.

Elegran

How on earth did you come across her? Accidentally?

There are a lot of video’s ridiculing her.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVOfq-GE9n8

One quick look at the man in that video tells us all we need to know about him....add the voice.....add the gesturing etc etc and 'nuff said of someone I wouldnt take seriously to start with....

Eh, what is wrong with his voice or gestures.

Casdon

They walk amongst us. We have an extremely good idea that he is guilty Oreo. It is only a matter of time until the conclusive proof is produced, when the redacted files are released, probably after Trump has died.

Guilty of what? If you mean sex with an underage girl that will be hard to prove, as well as the fact that VG wouldn’t have been underage in the UK.Even if her allegation about having sex with him was true.It took place here in England is what she alleged at the time.

I can’t see that anything can be proved but time will tell, rather than a GN kangaroo court right this minute.

So generous of the late Queen, to donate £12 million to a foreign stranger who had nothing to do with any of the Royals.

This is worth a watch, it’s Emily Maitlis interviewing Amy Wallace, the co author of Virginia Giuffre’s book for Newsagents USA about the missing pieces of the jigsaw, redactions exposing victims, and the missing babies, amongst other issues relevant to the files.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEa64m6Pk3Q

Maremia

So generous of the late Queen, to donate £12 million to a foreign stranger who had nothing to do with any of the Royals.

Worth it to make the subject go away, Andrew was her favourite son by all accounts and there were royal celebrations about to begin.

Maremia

So generous of the late Queen, to donate £12 million to a foreign stranger who had nothing to do with any of the Royals.

It’s all so bloody sleazy, isn’t it?

Casdon

This one is just weird. Did he want to become immortal?
edition.cnn.com/2026/02/06/politics/jeffrey-epstein-genetic-test-joseph-thakuria-harvard

There is starting to be chatter surrounding the latest email dump about pregnancies.

I just ran across this from 2019.

www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.html

Casdon

Why are you obsessed with criminal evidence David49? Unless all the redacted files are released, we must appreciate that people will not be prosecuted, specifically because lawyers have spent months sanitising what we see. That does not mean people are not guilty, or that we should discount the pieces we do know.

Why is every one else obcessed by his guilt, he is a celebrity, women throw themselves at celebrities, sleeping with a prince or a pop star is top of plenty of womens goals. I dont know if any were under aged, AMW is most likely not the only one who maybe telling lies

It seems that Epstein provided many important men with women in order to gain influence with them, or information from them, AMW would have been window dressing, Sarah a nuisance needed to keep him coming back. Many of Epsteins friends had deserted him when he got arrested, it was Sarahs need for money that kept the friendship going

Classic victim blaming.

Basgetti

Classic victim blaming.

So these trafficked young girls were throwing themselves at these middleaged and old men?

Sarah was the real problem, not Andrew?

Yes, victim-blaming and misogyny.

How do you know what women's, or in this case, young girls', goals are David1949?

Attitudes like that are exactly why these dreadful perpetrators have gotten off Scot free for years.

Basgetti

Attitudes like that are exactly why these dreadful perpetrators have gotten off Scot free for years.

So are you saying that women never never chase after celebrities, because if thats the case you must have been living a very isolated life.

Are you saying that women never lie, maybe you have never told a lie, you may be unique

The women and girls in question weren't chasing after celebrities they were given to them having been groomed for the purpose.

Are you saying that Virginia Guiffre was lying? Are the other survivors of Epstein’s trafficking also lying when they say that girls as young as 14 were used and abused by his wealthy connections? Why are you so inclined to believe those men and disbelieve the women?

I was abused by my father and my brother. I have lived far from an isolated life.

I try very hard not to lie, yes but I don’t suppose I am unique.

How sad that there are still men who believe that it's OK to groom young vulnerable girls for sexual pleasure. That it's the girls making a lifestyle choice and are willing participants in the abuse they are subjected to. It's sad that some men believe that young women are a commodity to be used, abused and passed around their friends. It was these attitudes that protected the grooming gangs in the UK. In the US it seems the men will be protected because they are rich and powerful. It's very sad that even with lots of evidence of abuse some men will still blame the young women. It's utterly shameful.

foxie48

How sad that there are still men who believe that it's OK to groom young vulnerable girls for sexual pleasure. That it's the girls making a lifestyle choice and are willing participants in the abuse they are subjected to. It's sad that some men believe that young women are a commodity to be used, abused and passed around their friends. It was these attitudes that protected the grooming gangs in the UK. In the US it seems the men will be protected because they are rich and powerful. It's very sad that even with lots of evidence of abuse some men will still blame the young women. It's utterly shameful.

Thankfully, I think they can very much be filed in the dinosaur folder, foxie48.

Our youngest, son, 22 and his friends overwhelmingly think that Epstein and his associates are despicable. As do male relatives and friends of our 31 year old daughter.

They both questioned wtf is Starmer doing, appointing Mandelson to that prize role at the time, before the latest sleazy revelations.

Basgetti

Are you saying that Virginia Guiffre was lying? Are the other survivors of Epstein’s trafficking also lying when they say that girls as young as 14 were used and abused by his wealthy connections? Why are you so inclined to believe those men and disbelieve the women?

I was abused by my father and my brother. I have lived far from an isolated life.

I try very hard not to lie, yes but I don’t suppose I am unique.

I dont know if VG was lying in the same way you dont know if she was telling the truth, when a book is involved the more selacious it is the better it sells.
But it was all for nothing because she allegedly committed "suicide" so we will never know.

What we do know is that Epstein trafficked and abused underaged girls, most of his circle including Trump realized what he was doing and stopped the association. AMW and Sarah continued so its pretty sure they knew what was going on

Sure.

Your accusations towards a dead woman are pretty repellent. Your “ telling, too. But carry on deluding yourself that it must have been the fault of the salacious girls (and children) if that means you can sleep easy.

David49

Basgetti

Attitudes like that are exactly why these dreadful perpetrators have gotten off Scot free for years.

So are you saying that women never never chase after celebrities, because if thats the case you must have been living a very isolated life.

Are you saying that women never lie, maybe you have never told a lie, you may be unique

Read this David1949, and explain how girls aged between 14 and 17, all from the same school were ‘women who were celebrity chasing’.
www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/trump/2025/08/21/jeffrey-epstein-victims-palm-beach-county-high-school-ground-zero/85756578007/