Skewed priorities

Keeping quiet - you are wilfully misinterpreting and deflecting from the arguments that Oreo, Allira and I are making.

You state "Criminals are being deported every day yet you make it sound as if gangs of illegal migrants are roaming our streets in search of victims with full permission of the authorities- this is clearly nonsense."

Illegal migrants ARE roaming our streets, with full permission of the authorities, and some of them ARE in search of victims - do I really need to name some of the poor victims who have only recently been killed and/or raped?

You are showing absolutely no consideration or respect to the victims or their families by claiming it is nonsense.

And why is Allira's contextual correction of your statement "an entirely different argument"? It is not.

Surely part of the solution to the problems that illegal immigrants are creating is to refuse them entry to the UK in the first place!

As for the grooming gangs, they should be prosecuted, chemically castrated (or castrated without the benefit of anaesthetic - I really don't care) and returned to their country of birth.

Here's me thinking they were living in luxury hotels- now they are roaming the streets.

Maybe I live in cloud cuckoo land but I don't see that here.

Anyways, it isn't the ones you can see you need to be concerned about...

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keepingquiet

Here's me thinking they were living in luxury hotels- now they are roaming the streets.

Maybe I live in cloud cuckoo land but I don't see that here.

Anyways, it isn't the ones you can see you need to be concerned about...

They may be living in hotels, but they're not actually locked in their rooms, why would you think that

Two such cases in an area just over ten miles from where I live.

Residing at the Sheraton Hotel, near Gatwick. Qais Al Aswad 26 year old Asylum seeker, 3 sexual assaults, avoids prison, allegedly didn't know he wasn't supposed to slap women unknown to him on the backside or grab them around the crotch.

Hawre Mohamed jailed for eight months sexually assaulting young student on a train.

Bournemouth, a town I know well, has 3 migrant hotels.

Dorset Police FOI 51 of 116 male migrants await prosecution for sexual offences in the Bournemouth area.

Allira, I feel that the justice system in Britain is fairly robust, and barristers, both defending and prosecuting, are required to play their part.
Would you prefer barristers to refuse to defend, or prosecute, on how they feel about the allegations? You might disagree if you, or a family member, were accused of a crime.
Barristers represent people, verdicts are given by jurors. The alternative is that anyone accused of a crime, does not have the evidence presented to, and evaluated by, a group of their peers, in a court.
There are countries where this is so, where the accused can find that they go fairly seamlessly from accusations to sentencing. I would not like to live in such a place.

Allira

^Almost 60,000 individuals have been deported from the UK since Labour came into power, which is a 45% increase on previous years.^

Of whom 43,000 were voluntary departures under the Assistance Programme where they were give a financial sum to leave to help them settle back in their home country, so presumably they had not left their home country through fear.

Well the situation can change. Regime change in Syria might mean some Syrians feel they can safely return home.

Syria was just an example that sprang to mind.

Chocolatelovinggran

Allira, I feel that the justice system in Britain is fairly robust, and barristers, both defending and prosecuting, are required to play their part.
Would you prefer barristers to refuse to defend, or prosecute, on how they feel about the allegations? You might disagree if you, or a family member, were accused of a crime.
Barristers represent people, verdicts are given by jurors. The alternative is that anyone accused of a crime, does not have the evidence presented to, and evaluated by, a group of their peers, in a court.
There are countries where this is so, where the accused can find that they go fairly seamlessly from accusations to sentencing. I would not like to live in such a place.

I d know how some work.
They do not like it if the evidence does not fit their rhetoric.

Who " do not like it if the evidence doesn't fit their rhetoric", Allira?
Any evidence presented in court, by either defence, or prosecution, will be subject to robust questioning, and evaluated by a jury.
At what stage of the process does anyone's like, or dislike, affect this?
Barristers prosecute and defend, so are well versed in presenting evidence and in challenging such.

My understanding is that she scouted not the schools, but the streets and offered the prettier of these girls a better life by giving them homes clothes and a "higher class" of customers, medical checks etc. There are young girls on the streets everywhere whom I am sure would take the offer if nothing else is helping them.

We are now suggesting that 16 and 17 year-olds are mature enough to vote, but are suggesting they are not mature enough to know what they are doing about sex/prostitution?

Then one hit the jackpot with Andrew who paid her a considerable sum to be discreet, not because he admitted any guilt but because he just wanted no involvement of his family. I am sure pretty girls paid to be available at parties are not unique, even today, whatever we think about it.

Does anyone think he had any idea that the law was different in New York than pretty much everywhere else in the US, (marriage is legal at 14 in Texas) or that she was only 17 (even though ignorance of the law is no defence).

We are however looking at two different things here, the UK gangs are grooming at the school gates, but we are looking at cultures that think "white girls are easy" because most of their sisters are kept home, shut away or escorted everywhere; whereas any number of ours as young as 10 are wearing short pelmets by way of school skirts, are free with their kisses on the streets, and go out and about alone; they are following female pop stars wearing very little and UK society says they should be free to do so - I am not judging this, I am simply observing that this is not the case in Pakistan, India, Nigeria or Albania, where their thinking is developed as they grow up.

No, they were not picked up off the streets, but recruited, often by other girls he paid to do so FranP. Here is one example.
www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/trump/2025/08/21/jeffrey-epstein-victims-palm-beach-county-high-school-ground-zero/85756578007/

Casdon

No, they were not picked up off the streets, but recruited, often by other girls he paid to do so FranP. Here is one example.
www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/trump/2025/08/21/jeffrey-epstein-victims-palm-beach-county-high-school-ground-zero/85756578007/

I watched a documentary about this a few years ago, it was harrowing. Ghislaine or other girls scouted out schools in the area, picking off stragglers, the girls who were ‘trouble’, who came from a dysfunctional background or were in other ways more vulnerable. Very similar to the girls targeted by the grooming gangs in the UK.
Sexual predators don’t prey on strong and confident girls/women, like all predators they prey upon the weak and vulnerable.

I also think it is rather too easy and lazy to imagine women who are not minors are fully in control of their own sexuality and how it is used/exploited by those more powerful than them. We are all aware of how coercion and manipulation can be used by a husband or partner in a domestic situation when it comes to abuse, yet we seem to think this is happening in a situation wit the likes of Epstein, why??

And apologies this did detract from the discussion of the grooming gangs but was responding to points made.
As I said those who wish to champion the virus affected must approach their MPs. And if they raise a petition I will sign it.

*girls affected not virus 🫣

This young woman was a university student. Her passport was taken away from her, she was trapped.
news.sky.com/story/epstein-survivor-says-women-who-recruited-her-laughed-as-she-was-sexually-assaulted-on-private-jet-13507770

Casdon

This young woman was a university student. Her passport was taken away from her, she was trapped.
news.sky.com/story/epstein-survivor-says-women-who-recruited-her-laughed-as-she-was-sexually-assaulted-on-private-jet-13507770

That is harrowing to read, Casdon

He had control of her mind.
"I have nothing to hide. It has obviously been upsetting because it confuses people because obviously the man had a terrible grip on my mind."

Aveline Majority White British: In 2024, National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) figures showed that just over half of suspects in recorded grooming gang cases were White British. A 2020 Home Office report similarly found that most offenders in child sexual abuse gangs were white men under the age of 30

And there is this, very easy to find online -

percentage of white offenders in online abuse


‘Based on data regarding online child sexual abuse and exploitation (CSAE) in the UK, the majority of offenders are white.
Key statistics and findings from recent reports include:
Offender Demographics: Research indicates that in group-based child sexual exploitation cases, 85% of suspects are white.
Overall Arrests: In 2024/25, 79% of suspects arrested (where ethnicity was known) were from the white ethnic group.
Online Specifics: Studies on online child sexual exploitation show a high prevalence of Caucasian offenders, with one analysis finding that 97% of offenders in a studied sample were Caucasian.
Context: While there is significant focus on specific grooming cases, national data confirms that most perpetrators of child sexual abuse, both online and offline, are men from white ethnic backgrounds.’

NannyCL well der, the police were not allowed to record ethnicity until very recently.

Of course this doesn’t address the allegation that police forces were slow to act with regard to grooming gangs because they were worried about racial sensibilities in the local community. This, along with the fact that police forces are often slow to act in most accusations of sexual exploitation against girls and women whether there is a racial angle there or not, muddies the waters, but I think that police forces nationwide have to be overhauled tooth and nail to train to act quickly and decisively where the safety of children/young girls/women are concerned.

Regardless of the racial sensibilities of a community that is.