Jan Leeming said train your kids like dogs

Goodness me - the absolute breathtaking cheek of JL. Grumbling, ranting, venting - perhaps she should join GN 😂😂😂

Tuliptree

Goodness me - the absolute breathtaking cheek of JL. Grumbling, ranting, venting - perhaps she should join GN 😂😂😂

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How true. I love sitting in the garden (in the summer!!) and listening to the delighted sounds or children playing. What I do not enjoy is shouting and screaming and insanely barking dogs. Makes me want to get the water cannon out!

Tuliptree

Goodness me - the absolute breathtaking cheek of JL. Grumbling, ranting, venting - perhaps she should join GN 😂😂😂

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Allira

Tuliptree

Goodness me - the absolute breathtaking cheek of JL. Grumbling, ranting, venting - perhaps she should join GN 😂😂😂

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Ps perhaps she has!!

I'm with Jan. So many times when out whether for just a coffee or a meal the atmoshere is disrupted by children wandering or running sbout or yelling at one another. Even when the accompanying adult has called for them to "behave" they just continue. The children know nothing will happen as adults are too busy yapping or scrolling their phone to actually get up and make child sit and behave, just too much work these days.

Badly behaved children tend to grow up into badly behaved adults!

Neither children nor animals should be shouted at or struck, or told one thing one day, and something else the next day.

The day before a parents' and teachers' evening one eleven year old said to me, "Could you tell our parents not to chop and change their minds about what we may or may not do, all the time, but to be more like you? When you say, no, I am sorry, you may not do that, we know you mean it and that someone else won't be allowed to do it tomorrow."

I thanked her for the compliment but answered that I could not tell her or anyone else's parents what they should do, but I would see if I could find a tactful way of hinting about what she had just said.

Forty years of teaching showed me very clearly, that children appreciate a few sensible rules that are kept to and that apply to everyone.
However, teaching good manners or instituting rules are two-way streets. On one occasion a pupil said to me, "You will need to shout if you want the gang to hear you" She dissolved into a fit of giggles when I replied, "Don't you think I would feel a complete idiot, shouting Be quiet? Quite apart from the fact that I was taught it is rude to shout at people."

Sparklefizz

Twenty odd years ago there was a seaside cafe in Weston Super Mare that had a sign saying "Any children behaving badly will be put in chains and sold into slavery!"

It probably had to be removed!

Something similar local to me - "Badly behaved children will be given a kitten"! Gets the message across with humour, I thought.

I took my 3 children to a cafe when we moved house to Kent. Went to the counter and ordered everything including ice cream for desserts. They started throwing salt at each other, flicking ketchup etc generally causing a scene.Told to stop twice but still carried on. I stood up and made them leave with me. Went home, all sent to their rooms, served cheese sandwiches and water for tea in their rooms.
Yes, it was expensive as I had already paid for the cafe food.
BUT I could take them to any restaurant after that and they were very polite and well mannered. They knew the consequences of playing up in a cafe.

no she didnt, she said dogs are better behaved than kids, parents let them run wild in restaurants and pubs, they think everyone loves their offspring, well, we dont

monami

no she didnt, she said dogs are better behaved than kids, parents let them run wild in restaurants and pubs, they think everyone loves their offspring, well, we dont

Of course not everyone loves other people's offspring. The parents that think we should are no different to the owners of dogs who think everyone should love their pooch, no matter how smelly, noisy or otherwise badly behaved it is.

Children who don't know how to behave in a restaurant shouldn't be taken there. Not only are they are a pain but can cause accidents with trays etc being carried about. Perhaps if the parents put their phones away for a while and actually engaged with their children,things might improve. They seem to be able to do this in France but then they don't generally believe in the 'gentle parenting' culture. They should put them all in a room together and close the door while they crawl and run about and perhaps the parents will get a taste of what it is like for others.

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Bluebell

Tardiness means lateness!!

Does that mean they should also be kept on leads, left outside of supermarkets and muzzled and tagged when appropriate.

I do hope so.

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Shysal that is unfair. Women who have children do not have the monopoly on appropriate manners. If it were, we could go to Rose West for advice.

Just been at a restaurant where table next to us changed customers twice, both times with little ones. All behaved sweetly. I liked them being there.

All I ever see is kids walking around town with a parent, even under fives, eating sausage rolls, crisps or burgers. Many don't have interaction around meal times at a table.

Golly, lots of sweeping statements here. Have you been home with all parents of under - fives in your town, Plevey? I'm amazed that you are so confident that "many of them don't have interaction around meal times at a table".
Polly, is every parent you see always on their phone?
Astonishingly, I do see parents talking to their children when I do nursery and school pick ups, and I don't know any family without a dining table.
Perhaps my town is different from all others.

AGAA4

Dogs and children need to be trained.
People who allow their children or dogs to misbehave are doing them no favours.
I have seen some unacceptable behaviour from adults in restaurants.
Clearly not trained.

Yes!

Who is Jan Leeming?

Try reading the opening link or Google her. Pointless asking who she is after 5 pages of posts

Not prejudiced against childless women then, shysal!!

What difference does Jan Leeming's having children or not make to the validity of her comments about badly behaved kids?

Why was there a backlash. She’s right just don’t take it to extremes.

I did an observation on attitudes to children yesterday. Here is my report.

I take GC 2.5 years swimming every Tuesday and then we go to Costa, I have a coffee he has warm milk and we both have toast. The staff know us and I don't need to order, they just ask if we want the usual, I tap my card and they tell me to sit down and they will bring it over. That's our Tuesday morning and it's hard to say if Costa or swimming is his favourite.

So yesterday was normal routine, as I was getting a high chair for him I noticed two women, my sort of age so 70s giving me a hard stare. I sat down, order came, I could see one of the women but the other was behind me. The one I could see was saying something to the man with her and was sorting of gesturing towards us with her head and seemed a bit agitated. She gave up with him and glared at us. GS meanwhile happily munching through his big slice of brown toast smothered with butter they always give him extra butter. Manager came over to say hello to GS. Another glare from woman but the main focus taken off us when a young couple came in with an even younger little one. He was also quiet and beautifully behaved. Woman starts gesturing and talking to her companion.

They left before us, she marched past us with her nose in the air like we were a bad smell. As the man passed us he gave me a smile. I felt sorry for him.

So my study revealed two beautifully behaved young children and a soured faced old woman. Oh I forgot there was her sad looking partner. I find this isn't unusual as I find men generally more friendly and helpful when I'm out with little one. I've never had a woman offer to help if I'm getting child, buggy and bags onto a train but I almost always get offered help by men.

I wonder if that woman has moaned about how her coffee was ruined by the children.

The worst is if you get one of these annoying kids behind you on a plane and they kick the back of your seat and screech for hours. Fine if the parents try to calm them down but many don’t do that.