Kate1949, i have a similar story. 10 children, 7 boys and 3 girls. She must have tried in the early days, but eventually turned to drink, so us kids had no real guidance. I remember trying to wake her on going out to school, I didn't have anything clean to wear, she just muttered wear what you have. This is what I find hard to forgive, the neglect and uncaring as we all went out to find humiliation and inability to make proper friends. We were so dirty and scruffy, and not until we were old enough to put things in perspective ourselves, could we better things for each of us. I helped my 16 year old brother into an apprenticeship, made sure he went to the interviews etc, and he has done so very well for himself. He is a millionare, but always thanks me for the guidance and persistence I showed him. The rest of us, sink or swim, up to you. And sadly, we were and are quite intelligent, and could have gone far academically. Hey ho, life is and has been hard for so many of us.