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infoman Tue 14-Apr-26 02:23:01

if they win power in the general election,will this change your stance on voting in the local elections??

Allira Wed 15-Apr-26 11:11:59

nanna8

Clearly this forum is not representative of the country as a whole because there seems to be a lot of people voting for Reform. Not on here, though. A shame in a way because I would love to hear exactly why they would vote the way they intend. Is it a protest vote against an incompetent government or is it because they truly believe that Reform will do that i.e. Reform the country? Or is it because they are truly very right wing in all their views ? Or, again , is it because they are afraid of the rudeness and condemnation they may find here ?

Clearly this forum is not representative of the country as a whole because there seems to be a lot of people voting for Reform

It is not, as is evidenced by the link I posted.

If posters get called knuckledraggers and other perjorative names, they are likely to retreat so no, threads on Gransnet are not representative of voters in general.

Although I would never vote for Reform if they were the last ones standing, because I have on occasion made these points previously, I was subjected to a diatribe of false accusations and lies by one poster. It was upsetting and still annoys me but I decided that it was her problem, not mine. It's just an online forum, not real life. However, others might take this kind of attack to heart and retreat for their own peace of mind.

Before I was verbally attacked, I think I'd posted that I could see why people might vote for Farage but I would not. Dissatisfaction with the status quo, of all the main parties and voters are looking for something different. Reform is playing on people's fears.

Farage is full of false promises; he is not the answer. Nor is Polanski either. He is no Caroline Lucas.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Apr-26 11:14:21

And me.

I can remember when I voted him in as leader thinking that after the fiasco of Johnson etc we needed someone serious with a level head whom I felt I could rely upon in times of crises.

And so it has proven.

I am not saying that he doesn’t have faults - I think he is bad at communication and telling a “story” or charisma. But my goodness if Badenoch or Farage were the PM, our young men would now quite possibly be in harms way in the ME in an illegal and completely unnecessary war.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Apr-26 11:16:20

My post was in reply to lizziedrip

Allira Wed 15-Apr-26 11:17:57

I voted for Starmrr because I thought he would be a steady leader after some of the chaos of the Tories. Sunak was ok but not strong enough.
However, I admit to being very disappointed at some of the decisions - then they U turned so many times my head was spinning.

But in this latest crisis he is proving his worth. A steady hand on the tiller in these stormy times.

Allira Wed 15-Apr-26 11:18:27

Whitewavemark2

My post was in reply to lizziedrip

Yes, I realised!

Grandmabatty Wed 15-Apr-26 11:22:56

"A lot of people voting reform". Where fo you get that information from *Nanna8"? It is, of course, inaccurate. There are some people who have voted Reform, but hardly lots

Fallingstar Wed 15-Apr-26 11:24:14

Allira

I voted for Starmrr because I thought he would be a steady leader after some of the chaos of the Tories. Sunak was ok but not strong enough.
However, I admit to being very disappointed at some of the decisions - then they U turned so many times my head was spinning.

But in this latest crisis he is proving his worth. A steady hand on the tiller in these stormy times.

I agree with your sentiments.
I too voted for Starmer then felt disappointed but he has risen to the challenge with Trump and the illegal war in Iran. I imagine that has redeemed him to some extent with voters who felt let down.

twaddle Wed 15-Apr-26 11:31:28

Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?

AGAA4 Wed 15-Apr-26 11:31:53

Thinking of all the PMs we've had over the last 15 years or so I don't think Starmer compares too badly especially now when he stood up to Trump and took a barrage of insults.

Graphite Wed 15-Apr-26 11:35:26

Thanks for all the thanks. I will waffle on a bit more if I may, first in response to nanna8.

there seems to be a lot of people voting for Reform

There have only been two main opportunities for some to vote - the 2024 General Election and the 2025 local elections, which did not take place everywhere.

In the 2024 GE, of 28,809,340 votes cast, 4,117,610 were for Reform. Most people don’t want them. Even their big names didn’t secure a big percentage of votes in their constituencies. They won because of FPTP, some by quite narrow majorities. Again, most people don’t want them.

The same happened in the local elections. Low turnouts don't help. For all the fuss Reform made about having elections this year, it's likely that relatively few people will bother to vote.

What we saw in both main elections was a massive swing away from the Tories.

We know that it’s usual for voters to switch from Tory to Labour or vice versa so it was inevitable that Tory voters went to Reform. One only has to look at GE stats for the elections in 2019 and 2024 to see the swing to Reform was mostly from Tories age 60+.

Reform are not popular with younger voters. Current voting intention shows Reform at just 7% with 49% for the Greens.

Some 600,000 people die each year most of them old. Between 2024 and 2029, some 3 million people will have died. If 65% of those were Tory/Reform that’s 2 million of their voters gone, replaced by young voters who don’t like them.

It explains why Reform are dangling the triple lock carrot, to appeal to their elderly voter base. But, as I explained above, at wage or general inflation of say 5%, it would be a pension increase at current rates of around £4 a week more than the minimum 2.5%. It wouldn’t even buy a cup of coffee out. It might run to a loaf of bread and something to spread on it.

Would I vote Reform just to get an extra £4 a week pension (£3.20 after tax). No. I would rather have a local council of experienced, reliable people, as we head towards the massive reorganisation of local councils into unitary authorities. I don’t want incompetents like Reform's George Finch or Joseph Boam overseeing that or the tetchy, foul-mouthed authoritarianism of a Linden Kemkaran.

Logically, why would the result of the upcoming local elections trigger a leadership challenge? If it did it would be based on an assumption that people are not voting on local issues. Only 66 of the 317 councils in England and Wales are under Labour control. No doubt there will be gains for Reform and the Greens probably leading to more councils in which no party has overall control, which is no bad thing if it means cross-party collaboration and cooperation. If Reform were to gain control of more councils I can’t see their performance over the coming 12 months being any better that the chaos we have see in other Reform councils since May 2025. This should, hopefully, make more people realise that if Reform can’t manage a council, it certainly couldn’t manage a country.

I’m not a particular fan of Labour now although they are slowly doing some good things. My politics are further to the left of Labour under Starmer but I do think he is a steady hand internationally in these times and that’s crucial. He’s shown too that he can withstand the constant onslaught from the right-dominated media. That must come from his training as a barrister. He knows how to operate in an adversarial environment. His big mistake was McSweeney and I’m glad he’s gone. I would be very disappointed if Starmer were to be challenged now by someone putting personal ambition before national stability.

Graphite Wed 15-Apr-26 11:37:41

unusual for voters to switch from Tory to Labour or vice versa.

Why do I rarely see typos until it's posted and highlighted in pink?

LizzieDrip Wed 15-Apr-26 11:38:51

twaddle

Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?

That’s my feeling too twaddle.

If someone asked me to list why I support Labour / Keir Starmer, and why I dislike Reform / Farage, I’d be more than happy to do so (in fact, they’d probably have to shut me up).

But when asked the same question of Reform supporters, they don’t want to engage. I have my own views on why that is but I’ll leave it there.

Allira Wed 15-Apr-26 11:45:34

twaddle

Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?

Save us from what?

Ourselves?
No idea.

Allira Wed 15-Apr-26 11:47:40

Allira

twaddle

Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?

Save us from what?

Ourselves?
No idea.

Potholes?
Nigel Farage and Reform UK have made tackling potholes a central pillar of their local election campaigning in 2025, declaring a "war on potholes"

Who wouldn't vote for that?

Cossy Wed 15-Apr-26 12:02:49

Graphite

Thanks for all the thanks. I will waffle on a bit more if I may, first in response to nanna8.

there seems to be a lot of people voting for Reform

There have only been two main opportunities for some to vote - the 2024 General Election and the 2025 local elections, which did not take place everywhere.

In the 2024 GE, of 28,809,340 votes cast, 4,117,610 were for Reform. Most people don’t want them. Even their big names didn’t secure a big percentage of votes in their constituencies. They won because of FPTP, some by quite narrow majorities. Again, most people don’t want them.

The same happened in the local elections. Low turnouts don't help. For all the fuss Reform made about having elections this year, it's likely that relatively few people will bother to vote.

What we saw in both main elections was a massive swing away from the Tories.

We know that it’s usual for voters to switch from Tory to Labour or vice versa so it was inevitable that Tory voters went to Reform. One only has to look at GE stats for the elections in 2019 and 2024 to see the swing to Reform was mostly from Tories age 60+.

Reform are not popular with younger voters. Current voting intention shows Reform at just 7% with 49% for the Greens.

Some 600,000 people die each year most of them old. Between 2024 and 2029, some 3 million people will have died. If 65% of those were Tory/Reform that’s 2 million of their voters gone, replaced by young voters who don’t like them.

It explains why Reform are dangling the triple lock carrot, to appeal to their elderly voter base. But, as I explained above, at wage or general inflation of say 5%, it would be a pension increase at current rates of around £4 a week more than the minimum 2.5%. It wouldn’t even buy a cup of coffee out. It might run to a loaf of bread and something to spread on it.

Would I vote Reform just to get an extra £4 a week pension (£3.20 after tax). No. I would rather have a local council of experienced, reliable people, as we head towards the massive reorganisation of local councils into unitary authorities. I don’t want incompetents like Reform's George Finch or Joseph Boam overseeing that or the tetchy, foul-mouthed authoritarianism of a Linden Kemkaran.

Logically, why would the result of the upcoming local elections trigger a leadership challenge? If it did it would be based on an assumption that people are not voting on local issues. Only 66 of the 317 councils in England and Wales are under Labour control. No doubt there will be gains for Reform and the Greens probably leading to more councils in which no party has overall control, which is no bad thing if it means cross-party collaboration and cooperation. If Reform were to gain control of more councils I can’t see their performance over the coming 12 months being any better that the chaos we have see in other Reform councils since May 2025. This should, hopefully, make more people realise that if Reform can’t manage a council, it certainly couldn’t manage a country.

I’m not a particular fan of Labour now although they are slowly doing some good things. My politics are further to the left of Labour under Starmer but I do think he is a steady hand internationally in these times and that’s crucial. He’s shown too that he can withstand the constant onslaught from the right-dominated media. That must come from his training as a barrister. He knows how to operate in an adversarial environment. His big mistake was McSweeney and I’m glad he’s gone. I would be very disappointed if Starmer were to be challenged now by someone putting personal ambition before national stability.

Great list, with which I completely agree, typos prevailing haha!

All I want for Christmas is an Edit button!

Cossy Wed 15-Apr-26 12:13:47

*“Allira

twaddle
Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?
Save us from what?

Ourselves?
No idea.“*

Sadly, I think it’s very clear.

Reform et al want our country back (not sure where it’s been, but it was here, right where’s it always been, last time I looked)

They want to stop the boats and save us from foreigners.

They want to stop us being taken over and fear we will all be converted to Islam, along with our law becoming Sharia.

They don’t like people on benefits, for any reason, and they fear Labour will allow more and more people live on them, since they took away the two child cap from Universal Credit, (where around 45% of claimants actually work).

They don’t like Human Rights or any rights for anyone other than themselves, they fear this will give others too much power.

They fear Europe and the EU and don’t want them controlling us, like they did before Brexit.

Am I scared? The only thing I fear is Nigel man of the people ever coming anywhere near becoming PM!

Wyllow3 Wed 15-Apr-26 12:34:28

Another here happy with Starmer atm. As a LP insider, to the left of him. I dont currently see anyone I would like to replace him, it is most definitely not the time.

I appreciate Ed Milligan's commitment to the environment, so we actually have world left living in, he's as said, soft left, absolutely nowhere near Corbyn et al -different worlds. Rayner is a spent force, she doesnt have the support.

As regards the world left worth living in as regards our grandchildren and their children, Reform belong to the "burn baby burn" right along with Trump's views that it's not actually problem at all. We seem to have forgotten how important it is, until there is some kind of absolutely major natural disaster in another part of the world (which we then ignore as it's inconvenient). So go Ed.

Basgetti Wed 15-Apr-26 12:42:04

LizzieDrip

^Whatever view we have most agree that Starmer is a useless PM I havnt seen a post that thinks he is good for a very long time. Would he or she like to declare their allegiance now. LOL^

I declared my allegiance to Keir Starmer on a thread just yesterday, actually David.

I accept you might not have seen that post so, hear I am, declaring my allegiance to him again. I am very happy to have a calm, level-headed PM who is not part of the public school, old boys network.

You’re welcomesmile

I’m extremely glad that we have KS’s level head at the helm as the world descends further into madness every day.

Basgetti Wed 15-Apr-26 12:43:44

Cossy

*“Allira

twaddle
Allira, I think your posts have hit the nail on the head. However, I still don't really understand what people fear. It's frustrating that they won't say. We just get vague posts about Farage and Yusuf being the only ones who can save us. Save us from what?
Save us from what?

Ourselves?
No idea.“*

Sadly, I think it’s very clear.

Reform et al want our country back (not sure where it’s been, but it was here, right where’s it always been, last time I looked)

They want to stop the boats and save us from foreigners.

They want to stop us being taken over and fear we will all be converted to Islam, along with our law becoming Sharia.

They don’t like people on benefits, for any reason, and they fear Labour will allow more and more people live on them, since they took away the two child cap from Universal Credit, (where around 45% of claimants actually work).

They don’t like Human Rights or any rights for anyone other than themselves, they fear this will give others too much power.

They fear Europe and the EU and don’t want them controlling us, like they did before Brexit.

Am I scared? The only thing I fear is Nigel man of the people ever coming anywhere near becoming PM!

👏👏👏

David49 Wed 15-Apr-26 13:17:31

You do make me laugh, they are both soft left, and you must know they would not be favoured candidates of the left of the Labour Party.

That shows how either out or touch or naive some on this forum are.

David49 Wed 15-Apr-26 13:31:37

Im very glad that at least some on this forum think that a Starmer is the best PM for the UK at present, it would be nice if they would speak up more to support him

AGAA4 Wed 15-Apr-26 13:36:49

David49

Im very glad that at least some on this forum think that a Starmer is the best PM for the UK at present, it would be nice if they would speak up more to support him

I think many of us have spoken up. I'm glad Starmer did not let Trump bully him into complying with his 'order' to join him in an illegal war.

Casdon Wed 15-Apr-26 13:38:37

David49

You do make me laugh, they are both soft left, and you must know they would not be favoured candidates of the left of the Labour Party.

That shows how either out or touch or naive some on this forum are.

I’m right on this David49. Seeing these two as the ‘loony left’ is more about your perception than my naievety.

Siptree Wed 15-Apr-26 13:47:05

No way.

Hatcham Wed 15-Apr-26 13:48:46

I would not vote for Reform.