The land is dry, and the people are ...stupid?

Maremia

I do believe that Wyllow wrote
'if there is a ban'.
It is a small word, 'if', and easily overlooked when you are reading quickly.
Wyllow was not spreading misinformation.

Maybe Willow could have checked the facts before the rant.

Which rant?
Which facts?

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

This is ludicrous. I suggest we take about the substance of this thread, which actually really matters, ie, how do we get these wildfires under control, discussions whether advice should become either Local authority matters or a need for laws given we are facing more droughts, need for it to be raised in schools etc as part of a curriculum in the sciences as part of climate change and so on.

Yes, some love to BBQ - discussions will have to be had carefully as regards boundaries, since of course risk levels differ greatly - but there is always the problem, give an inch, take a mile, sadly, as we see.

For clarity, we have a gas BBQ which is on porcelain tiles, it is not near any fences or shrubbery.

We also have a rainwater harvesting tank (containing many 1,000’s of litres of what I gather is called grey water) which one of our hoses is permanently attached to.

If in a moment of cussedness a spark decide to leap 4 + metres to a fence, shrubs or lawn it would be immediately apparent and extinguished.

If there were to be a ban on household BBQ’s we would of course comply.

I am neither stupid nor entitled as has been suggested by some posters on this thread.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

Yes, you are right, it should not have happened, I have just done a lot of googling on it:

Community leaders did call for restraint on fireworks, but the people turned out anyway.

The trouble is its because of race its has become such a loaded issue, ie far right people like Matt Goodwin have made it a "we are being taken over by Muslims yet again (yes, a Facebook commentary explicitly saying so)

It is a public order issue in my mind not a race one. The fact it was celebrating an event people were not comfortable with therefore highlighting it on this thread not any other breaking public order event is noted.

Just think of the out of control attacks that happened recently - especially in NI recently where Muslim homes were set on fire just becuase of who they were.

I totally believe you, GG13, that you would comply. I cannot imagine you doing anything different
(Some on this thread had explicitly said they would not go along with a ban and it's those I am saying, hang on, ??

Wyllow3 👍🏻

I definitely think disposable barbeques should be banned altogether and no longer manufactured. Aluminium is highly destructive to the planet to extract, although it is recyclable.

However, to recycle a disposable barbeque it must be emptied and cleaned, removing charcoal, ash, food and grease. How many people bother, especially when out somewhere? I'm sure they are very often left in a horrible state. If you look at the tents etc. left behind at music festivals you can see that young people don't give a damn about the environment and just leave their waste behind.

So disposable barbeques are bad for the environment, difficult to recycle and very dangerous in hot dry weather, so they should just stop making them.

With you on that, Chestnut.

GrannyGravy13

For clarity, we have a gas BBQ which is on porcelain tiles, it is not near any fences or shrubbery.

We also have a rainwater harvesting tank (containing many 1,000’s of litres of what I gather is called grey water) which one of our hoses is permanently attached to.

If in a moment of cussedness a spark decide to leap 4 + metres to a fence, shrubs or lawn it would be immediately apparent and extinguished.

If there were to be a ban on household BBQ’s we would of course comply.

I am neither stupid nor entitled as has been suggested by some posters on this thread.

Same with me too 😃 and I and am sure you would obey any actual ban on having a backyard barbecue should it be brought in.

Wyllow3

I totally believe you, GG13, that you would comply. I cannot imagine you doing anything different
(Some on this thread had explicitly said they would not go along with a ban and it's those I am saying, hang on, ??

Shall we have some truth here? I have gone through five pages with a toothcomb and there are no posters whatsoever saying they wouldn’t obey a ban explicitly or otherwise.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

... or, more accurately (according to Google) - "a few" of those gathered. And those few ended up in scuffles with the police.

These minor details matter because they give entirely different pictures.