The Daily Mail - the great divide

Sorry the link didn’t work but it is typical of some of the well researched and informative articles in the DM.

As for cars, I don’t think I could ever be friends with anyone who judged someone on the car they drove.

Sago

The DM has hidden depths, I read it along with the DT, RTE and I often look up news in the Guardian for a different perspective.

I found this article in the DM yesterday, it is fascinating.

Ancient DNA exposes a hidden chapter in the fall of the Roman Empire.

Ooh, must look that up, thanks Sago, it sounds fascinating.

I don't think i could be friends with anyone who judges people on the newspaper they read.

My husband buys it occasionally on a Sunday and when his sister called round and spotted it on the coffee table she was horrified. She called round the following Sunday with a copy if the Guardian and told him to read it as he might learn something! Typical of a sanctimonious Guardian reader in my opinion. I do actually like my sil but fgs!

Im going to ignore the Daily Mail question (I'm pretty sure I have given my thoughts on that topic on many past threads), and join the Volvo support instead 😁.
We bought one second hand in the '90s and it was the best car we ever had. We loved it!

anna7

I don't think i could be friends with anyone who judges people on the newspaper they read.

My husband buys it occasionally on a Sunday and when his sister called round and spotted it on the coffee table she was horrified. She called round the following Sunday with a copy if the Guardian and told him to read it as he might learn something! Typical of a sanctimonious Guardian reader in my opinion. I do actually like my sil but fgs!

But surely you’re judging your SiL?! 😆

What is it about the DM that has a moth to a flame quality about it? I live with a serial DM moaner. Me "don't get it up on line then" but he does! My theory is he likes to moan and rage about it. I kind of get that, back in my working in offices days, I'd rage against The Sun, if it had a physical presence, I'd have torn it from limb to limb. I hated the Page 3, not out of jealousy as that was an opinion put about by glamour models themselves then, I was young and gorgeous too back in the day, we probably all were , but for objectifying women. I guess one could look at the side bar of shame in the DM and say, "it's still going on" my thoughts on that are, those women, Katie Price, Kardashian et al objectify themselves it's their entire raison d'etre, unlike those page 3 girls of yesteryear they're in the driving seat.

Moving on from the edifying or unedifying content of the Mail, yeah I get it up on line, mea culpa, sorry not sorry! Sure it has an agenda, I think most people can work that out for themselves. Doesn't make us all raging Trump/Farage supporters. Sometimes I want to read news that some publications may find inconvenient. We need to know about the Eritrean imprisoned for sexual assault, recently released back to Newport in Wales to rape again, when we are continually told foreign criminals will be deported. Here 11 years and still needing an interpreter, more money get on to Duolingo at least you scumbag. We need to know what's being foisted on us, Poor Piddington! Would the genteel Guardian readers welcome a returned rapist into their Middle Wallop or wherever their Wallops happen to be

As mentioned up thread, the Mail is great for letting us know what hoards of ancient Saxon coins for example, have been discovered. I love those sort of articles, even more than what's going on with Katie Price's face. See were not totally one dimensional dumb arses!

We don't buy a daily paper, we get the ST, my husband sometimes comes back with an I and I subscribe to the Independent. I'll get papers up that aren't behind a paywall which includes both the DM and The Guardian.

Interestingly we were away last week and our hotel had The Times, The Telegraph and the DM....no Guardian, reminding me of one of the health clubs I went to, their array did include those as well as The Guardian which used to languish in a corner after the others had been pounced on. If you asked a member of staff where the papers were they'd say "oh there's a Guardian over there" the usual response was "no thanks!" so there you go, maybe why the Guardian struggles financially, only a select few actually buy it. I won't say I haven't found some good articles in it. If MN is anything to go by women are deserting it in droves, we all know why. Overall it wouldn't the choice of newspaper in our house, that would be The Times I think it contains more balance than either ends of the spectrum, my opinion, I don't expect others to agree.

Anyway I have to crack on I have guests arriving for a day or two.

It makes me laugh that left-leaning people are supposed to be associated with Volvos, yet our independent school car park was full of these vehicles. Just shows that individual choices can sometimes conflict with ideological stances, like reading a certain newspaper. I see no problem. Live and let live.

I don't think it matters what newspapers anyone reads as long as they don't believe everything that is written without getting a balanced view from other news outlets.

Sago

The DM has hidden depths, I read it along with the DT, RTE and I often look up news in the Guardian for a different perspective.

I found this article in the DM yesterday, it is fascinating.

Ancient DNA exposes a hidden chapter in the fall of the Roman Empire.

Amazing that us DM regulars would be able to read the big words and understand an article like that.

Wise words AGAA4

I read the Daily Mail. Dr Scour regularly covers illnesses that people of my age sometimes get. Max Pemberton who is a psychiatrist covers topics I find very interesting and informative.

There is comprehensive coverage of the war in Ukraine.

The reviews of the latest films and theatre help me to decide what entertainment I want.

I really don’t care what others say, I will continue to get my daily dose.

PS Now this will get the hackles up of some of you. Boris Johnson writes some informative articles on the life of the people in Ukraine. He is welcomed there on his regular trips.

Most days we buy the Daily Mail and the^i^. Thus we get a broad picture.

I think much of the shock horror of the politics in the Mail, is actually more snobbery than politics. People consider themselves a demographic layer or so above the kind of people who read the Mail. Those who spurn it think they are better educated ,better read, and no doubt think they dress better as well.

If this wasn't the reason for many, reading the Daily Telegraph would attract as much horror as the Mail. In fact, I would say the DT is to the right of the Mail. Yet, it is odd, no one rails against the Daily Telegraph because it is aimed at people like them.

We get Mail and DT on Saturdays, more to read and some excellent supplements.

Those who vilify people who read the DM are probably the same ones that declare all migrants are criminals, all those who live on council estates are vandals, and people who go to church are better than those who don’t. Also those who judge a person because of the way they dress ,have tattoos and a hundred other trivial criteria. There are plenty of them unfortunately.

People are going to carry on thinking what they already think about the Daily Mail. I don’t think vilifying the ‘opposition’ on this thread is achieving anything other than entrenching the views of people who already think those who have different views to them are from another planet - whichever side they are on. Nobody likes being challenged about their choices, and I just think what’s the point arguing about it.

foxie48

I certainly don't think Daily Mail readers are contemptible, just poorly informed.

That can only be true if that’s all they read. Don’t forget the posters who claim they read the DM headlines! They would be most upset if you said they were poorly informed.

BlueBelle

*I suppose it is hard for some to understand that the country you grew up in and still contains family members is still important to you* .
I just remember you’re vitriol against the country and poor old Starmer (who had nothing to do with it ) when you didn’t renew your passports in time and how you d never come here again 🤣I guess you ve calmed down now Did you grand kids have a good time travelling ?

I never will go there again. Too much hassle with the stupid passport arrangements. I’m glad Starmer has gone and I wish Andy Burnham good luck and hope he makes a good PM. The girls had a good time travelling and some decent weather. I am not a person who is prone to emotional outbursts , you don’t know me. I just was , rightly, of the opinion that Starmer was ruining the country and in the wrong job. He has gone now and you can start to recover. I love the UK and would never, ever condemn the country.Never have. What a fabulous history there is there and I do miss the old ancient buildings plus my daughter’s art now. I sure as hell would condemn a malevolent politician trying to wreck the place. I don’t think Burnham is malevolent ,unlike his predecessor.

foxie48

I certainly don't think Daily Mail readers are contemptible, just poorly informed.

foxie48 You have achieved a first, and even a medal.

I have been accused of many things in my life, some of them quite opprobrious, but you are the first to classify me as poorly informed.

JenniRen

Sago

The DM has hidden depths, I read it along with the DT, RTE and I often look up news in the Guardian for a different perspective.

I found this article in the DM yesterday, it is fascinating.

Ancient DNA exposes a hidden chapter in the fall of the Roman Empire.

Ooh, must look that up, thanks Sago, it sounds fascinating.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Sago

JenniRen

Sago

The DM has hidden depths, I read it along with the DT, RTE and I often look up news in the Guardian for a different perspective.

I found this article in the DM yesterday, it is fascinating.

Ancient DNA exposes a hidden chapter in the fall of the Roman Empire.

Ooh, must look that up, thanks Sago, it sounds fascinating.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Sorry meant to quote another post😬

Jerry and Margot in The Good Life had a Volvo!
I too remember its image as a middle class aspirant boring vehicle.
I used to buy The Mail in the 70’s, in fact I got my job with IBM through an advert in their employment section.

I used to buy The Times on Saturday until early this year, now I keep up with the news online, no subscriptions.

I agree TerriBull 👍🏻
And no matter anyone’s politics I think The Times is the best newspaper.
The DM, like the DE has run some worthwhile crusades over the years too.

The Volvo being looked down on is news to me, I thought it was the opposite tbh.

I know someone who writes informative articles which are published in the Daily Mail. His politics are liberal. like mine, but his attitude is that it is more important that the useful information he provides (and it is) reaches as many people as possible. The DM is a vehicle for that because, like it or not, it has a wide reach.

That, for me, is the primary purpose of a newspaper - to inform and to explain.

My issues with the DM have always been its historical and contemporary alignment with the right including the hard right; that much of what it does publish is inaccurate and deliberately rage-baiting plus its dubious, albeit legal, tax status and that of its owner.

There have been many occasions on this platform where threads have been started extolling DM articles which, when you scratch the surface just a little, turn out to contain fabrications and falsehoods. That’s what irritates me; that the paper is manipulating people with misinformation and propaganda.

For the record, I think the Telegraph is the much the same nowadays. A case in point is the recent exposé of what’s going in Reform over illegal donations. The conversation we saw between investigative journalist Louis Wilson and pollster James Johnson, shows how poor standards can be at that paper too. The paper claims it was mislead but any decent political journalist should know the British Polling Council rules:

What Must Be Disclosed By Members:

All data and research findings made on the basis of social or political polls conducted in the United Kingdom by member organisations that enter the public domain, must include reference to the following:

• Client commissioning the survey;
• Dates of interviewing;
• Method of obtaining the interviews (e.g. in-person, telephone, internet)
• The universe effectively represented (all adults, voters etc)
• The percentages upon which conclusions are based;
• Size of the sample and geographic coverage;

Reform commissioned the surveys. What the DT printed:

Labour majorities on 10 councils would be wiped out if cancelled elections were to go ahead, according to polling for The Telegraph.

The poll by JL Partners, carried out for this newspaper, looked at 25 of the council areas where elections are set to be postponed.

They were lying.

Some people on GN have long memories.

During the 1930's. Mail owner Lord Rothermere used the paper to support Mussolini, Hitler, nazism , Oswald Mosely and the fascist black shirts.

His great grandson is the chairman and controlling shareholder.

That’s almost 100 years ago butterandjam are you like your great grandparents?