The Daily Mail - the great divide

Given that OP doesn’t live in the UK any more and on her own admission has never clapped eyes on the DM, isn’t it a bit goady to say the least to start a thread about its divisive (her word) effect on UK society?
The intended controversy has led to5 pages - happy now?

watermeadow

I expect a newspaper to publish the truth and all I know about the Daily Mail is that nothing in it can be trusted.

That is rubbish. All papers, generally seekthe truth, but they see it from different view points.

MawsRosie

Given that OP doesn’t live in the UK any more and on her own admission has never clapped eyes on the DM, isn’t it a bit goady to say the least to start a thread about its divisive (her word) effect on UK society?
The intended controversy has led to5 pages - happy now?

Perhaps the OP means on Gransnet?
Not the views of British society in general.

I love a good goad. Makes my day. Not. I genuinely was curious about the division but I guess that is too hard for some to comprehend. Never mind, we can’t all be open minded.

I wonder how many of the posters on this thread have formed their very strong opinions about the DM when they say they never have and never would read it. Is it a case of sheep climbing on the current trendy bandwagon?

I pick up articles to read that interest me from the news feed on my iPad. From time to time this includes articles in the DM e.g. today I’ve been reading an extract from Alexandra Shulman’s memoir, because I like her column in the same newspaper, I think it’s included in the weekend edition. And generally I don’t like “columnists” or “opinion pieces” - besides I can get that in bite-size format on Gransnet any day of the week! 😁

I read most of the main newspapers on my library app for free, but not every day. What does that make me, I wonder.

nanna8

I love a good goad. Makes my day. Not. I genuinely was curious about the division but I guess that is too hard for some to comprehend. Never mind, we can’t all be open minded.

You are assuming such a division actually exists.

Some of us don’t care either way which is another way of saying keeping an open mind.

ROMILO

I wonder how many of the posters on this thread have formed their very strong opinions about the DM when they say they never have and never would read it. Is it a case of sheep climbing on the current trendy bandwagon?

That’s a good point.
Unless you actually read a particular paper, you only know what it contains by hearsay,
either from people who do read it, so might know,
or from those who *would never!*😱 read it. Both base their opinion on what others think, so consider hearsay must be accurate.

If you base your opinion on the fact that you used to read it, but wouldn’t now you assume that nothing changes.
Would you apply that assumption to your whole life and world events, or only when you disapprove?

I have read it and I think it's a rag.

This is what AI says when you ask which newspaper is the most frequently inaccurate:

The Daily Mail is widely cited by critics, independent bodies, and media watchdogs as one of the least reliable and most frequently inaccurate national newspapers in the UK.

Criticisms and Accuracy Issues
Wikipedia Ban: English Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as a reliable source in 2017 due to its heavy reliance on sensationalism, poor fact-checking, and outright fabrication.

Science and Medical Misrepresentation:
It has repeatedly scored poorly in independent reviews for inaccurate scare stories regarding health, medical research, and science reporting.

Corrections and Complaints:
The paper has faced numerous formal complaints, retractions, and legal challenges over privacy breaches, defamation, and false reporting.

Regardless of political persuasion, I don’t think people who like accurate information would choose to read a newspaper cited as the most inaccurate.

Yesterday I read the DM for the first time for many years. Yes, it is very tabloid and very right wing, but all of the reporting I read was factually consistent with other news sources I had heard, seen or read, Suzanne Moore ripped into Reform, and the Health Mail articles seemed pretty sound, as were the City pages.

If I do pick up another copy (unlikely -it's not my kind of paper), I won't feel the need to use tongs.

Casdon

This is what AI says when you ask which newspaper is the most frequently inaccurate:

The Daily Mail is widely cited by critics, independent bodies, and media watchdogs as one of the least reliable and most frequently inaccurate national newspapers in the UK.

Criticisms and Accuracy Issues
Wikipedia Ban: English Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as a reliable source in 2017 due to its heavy reliance on sensationalism, poor fact-checking, and outright fabrication.

Science and Medical Misrepresentation:
It has repeatedly scored poorly in independent reviews for inaccurate scare stories regarding health, medical research, and science reporting.

Corrections and Complaints:
The paper has faced numerous formal complaints, retractions, and legal challenges over privacy breaches, defamation, and false reporting.

Regardless of political persuasion, I don’t think people who like accurate information would choose to read a newspaper cited as the most inaccurate.

Just to remind everyone that AI itself is often hugely inaccurate! 😯

I'm not saying the DM is totally accurate by any means, but I've found their facts often seem consistent, although of course anyone who wants accuracy should always shop around. They often quote the actual words people have said, and the exact same words appear elsewhere.

MawsRosie

Given that OP doesn’t live in the UK any more and on her own admission has never clapped eyes on the DM, isn’t it a bit goady to say the least to start a thread about its divisive (her word) effect on UK society?
The intended controversy has led to5 pages - happy now?

This is the kind of unfriendly comment which puts people off posting and sends them off the site.

Why shouldn't any of us start a thread about anything at all? If it's of no interest then the thread will die. If posters want to discuss it then they will. This thread has encouraged discussion and that's a good thing. The OP is not being goady at all, just asking a question.

If you google the same words, you can see the sources on the search. I use the Safari search engine,it’s pretty reliable.
However, this is what the public think, it’s the most recent one I could find from YouGov.

www.google.com/goto?url=CAESiQEB6zswFeZIckQTWEmKSVdGMNSHFUNzofhd023DGo0cThuR-B6AvGuLq1ALnCFyDqYYExK8UKiK9T7OsXdbcG5E_0xgc7nhSZVJ285O-sML0HXOPe182QSLdIFaEs0O79EqQdEG-jhx6ZmHWffXjHSa22jtdxNxUTzV2P1D_rPh32wUFgDHcJVpYw

I have noticed that if I go to any of my nearest supermarkets towards the end of the day (Sainsbury's/Tesco/Waitrose) the DM is often sold out.

Not unfriendly @ Chestnut, cynical perhaps at the assertion that there is a soi-disant Great divide between those who read it and those who dont with the implied criticism contained within.
Clearly some people do, some don't, some read it sometimes, while others may choose another regular daily (or none) but are happy to admit their observation of the journalistic accuracy of the DM.
Some don't care.
All are entitled to their opinions but there is an underlying suggestion of a bandwagon.
So not unfriendly but when an opening post implies mutual exclusion, I find it can come across as goady.

Chestnut

MawsRosie

Given that OP doesn’t live in the UK any more and on her own admission has never clapped eyes on the DM, isn’t it a bit goady to say the least to start a thread about its divisive (her word) effect on UK society?
The intended controversy has led to5 pages - happy now?

This is the kind of unfriendly comment which puts people off posting and sends them off the site.

Why shouldn't any of us start a thread about anything at all? If it's of no interest then the thread will die. If posters want to discuss it then they will. This thread has encouraged discussion and that's a good thing. The OP is not being goady at all, just asking a question.

It appears to be quite evident on political threads on Gransnet that there is a divide between those who might refer to an article in the Daily Mail and those who despise it.

Why that should be so is an interesting question. Does it happen on other social media sites?

M0nica's reply on Monday 14th at 12.38 was the best.

The Daily Mail writes garbage and I have evidence to support their lack of professionalism when reporting a story, uninvited!
I hope you mean The Times as opposed to The London Times? Or am I missing something ?

A lot of snooty comments on the DM. I read the Times and Saturday Telegraph but would pounce on my MILaws Sun whenever I saw her. Nice to read something different.

Newspapers are never entirely accurate. If you are involved or have first hand knowledge of an event that took place, when you read the report in whatever newspaper you will know it is not as you witnessed it.

I think she means Skoda lol

25Avalon

Newspapers are never entirely accurate. If you are involved or have first hand knowledge of an event that took place, when you read the report in whatever newspaper you will know it is not as you witnessed it.

There was a front-page report in The Guardian a few years ago, written by a well-known activist.

I knew his complaint was inaccurate, in fact much was a fabrication, because I had relatives who were also there and involved.

Why be 100% accurate if you can embellish a story or add a few 'inaccuracies'? It sells newspapers, doesn't it.

Never read the DM. Apparently well known for click bait. Volvo drivers in 60s,70s 80s were ridiculed for driving a big, square, clumpy car and used generally old men. The mini was the car to have especially 60s then all the Fords came on the scene. Vauxhalls were regarded as rust buckets. Won't mention the ones from Poland, and their neighbours. By the way, I've had a multitude of different make cars.

I read the Mail on Saturday buy it for the Weekend magazine with TV listing's.Yes some articles are over the top but I am well educated and like to read less woke articles.Watch BBC C4 and ITV news.All of these tell me nothing apart from C4.Lefty bias but that is my opinion of BBC and ITV I started school in 1949 and yes it was a totally different country.I notice that the younger generations seem to integrate with one notable exception.Standards were very different then.

Well, there we have it!!

We had a Mini but it just wasn't practical with a few children and a caravan to tow.
Perhaps I looked like an old man at 35 in me boots, trousers and cloth cap together with harassed expression.

I was always observant though.