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The DWP's £10 Christmas "Bonus"

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mae13 Wed 04-Dec-24 03:20:35

It was introduced in 1972 and has remained firmly fixed at £10 all these years.

I suppose Rachel Reeves considers it a token kindness that makes up for the Winter Fuel Allowance being axed. Maybe we should doff our caps and curtsey in grateful thanks.......

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Dec-24 01:06:20

Catterygirl

My husband applied for pension credit but was refused as I earn 3 pence too much because I worked all my life.

Catterygirl, were/are your savings under £10,000. Obviously I don't want to know but lots of things make a difference. Do you own you home or is it leasehold. Do either of you get Attendance Allowance? Various thing can make a difference to how your "income" is calculated.

Do you know you can still claim Warm Home Discount direct from your supplier. You may not get this years as you really need to claim in September and funds are limited. You can also apply for Council tax support, apply for NHS Low Income Support and, if you rent you should be able to get housing benefit.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Dec-24 01:56:35

MissAdventure

Blimey! Three pence!!

It's very odd, isn't it MissAdventure. No one dealing with the claim would ever had said that Catterygirl and Mr C were ineligible because "Mrs C earned 3 pence too much". It's the household income that is assessed and who is to say who earned the 3p?

Anyway, as I have said there are some benefits that can still be claimed. Also, each year the pension is being raised by triple-lock the triple lock will raise the Pension Credit faster so. In a couple of years the 3p won't matter.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Dec-24 08:00:52

petal53

The Conservative/LibDem government introduced the triple lock in 2010. Labour did not try to protect pensions during the Blair years, and in fact in 1999, Gordon Brown induced anger from both pensioners and others, after his derisory 75 pence per week pension increase. People do indeed have short memories, but not all of us do. Labour have never supported pensioners, probably regarding us as Tory voting and as expensive and unproductive. The triple lock has protected pensions since 2010, but nonetheless it is clearly insufficient, bearing in mind that those on full time minimum wage earn approximately £20,000, and it will have gone up as a result of the budget. Pensioners definitely cannot survive on the state pension, either the new or the basic, and many having realised this have made some sort of other provision for their retirement. Luckily.

Interestingly, the Conservatives Shadow Chancellor has just said that triple lock is unsustainable in the "very long term" and, of course, he is right*.

In the Coalition government in 2010 it was the Liberals who led the work on Pensions. They had done the work and had a ready to go plan to bring us closer to the Australian system of only means-tested state pensions. To this end the Workplace Pension was also introduced - intended to replicated the Australian superannuation.

The triple-lock was only ever intended to be a short-term answer and I congratulate the Shadow Chancellor for his honesty. It's just a pity that the extreme capitalists running the Tory Party over the last 14 years didn't do more to continue the Coalition's plan.

Labour should be careful about attacking Mel Strides comments. If we follow the coalition's plans (which had little to do with Conservatives) the triple lock will have to be changed. Existing state pensions would rise only in line with average earnings eventually. Pension Credit should, however, continue to rise by the Triple Lock until it reaches an agreed Minimum Income Standard for pensioners. At the same time all the additional bits and bobs attached to Pension Credit and state pension should be phased out.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation Minimum Income Standard for pensioners is £17,200 a year (9 Sept 2024). I have seen government figures not very different from this. This would become the new Means Tested Pension/pension credit base line. Although Legacy State Pensions would remain larger numbers will move to this new means tested pension. The government might also decide mean-tested pensions should include some additional health, transport and utilities benefits as the Australian model does. However, these could be social tariffs provided by suppliers. The £10 Christmas Bonus would disappear.

* news.sky.com/story/tory-government-would-axe-unsustainable-triple-lock-on-pensions-shadow-chancellor-says-13267742

watermeadow Tue 10-Dec-24 19:24:02

I regard the £10 ‘bonus’ as an insult and a reckless waste of public money, as are all universal payments. If millions of people who don’t need it were not sent it, there would be enough to really help those who do need help.
For my upcoming 80th birthday I get insulted again with a payment of 24 PENCE per week. I’m going to treat myself to couple of carrots each week.

Allira Tue 10-Dec-24 19:31:06

argymargy

Winter fuel allowance has not been axed.

How would you describe it?

Axed - To reduce or eliminate
It's been axed. Splintered pieces remain for some people.

PoliticsNerd Wed 11-Dec-24 13:03:59

"How would you describe it?" (Allira)

A change in the rules to make it an income related benefit.

It should always been this.

Casdon Wed 11-Dec-24 13:06:32

Allira

argymargy

Winter fuel allowance has not been axed.

How would you describe it?

Axed - To reduce or eliminate
It's been axed. Splintered pieces remain for some people.

No, it’s become a targeted benefit for people receiving pension credit. It’s not splintered, it’s quite clear, even if you don’t agree with it.

keepingquiet Wed 11-Dec-24 13:13:00

I haven't had mine yet- maybe as with all other benefits I won't be entitled.

Shame really as I was going to put my heating on for ten minutes on Christmas Day...

PoliticsNerd Wed 11-Dec-24 13:41:19

Why are you in this situation, keepingquiet. Income related benefits are there to be claimed and you can get help finding out which are appropriate. However, you do need to claim in order to get these.

keepingquiet Wed 11-Dec-24 14:37:27

PoliticsNerd

Why are you in this situation, keepingquiet. Income related benefits are there to be claimed and you can get help finding out which are appropriate. However, you do need to claim in order to get these.

I do apologise- I was being sarcastic after reading another thread on here about people freezing to death...

crazyH Wed 11-Dec-24 14:46:38

What baffles me, is how they have come to the conclusion that I am not entitled to WFA - I don’t remember completing any forms or making any declaration regarding my income. Sorry if I have asked this before.

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 14:50:41

Casdon

Allira

argymargy

Winter fuel allowance has not been axed.

How would you describe it?

Axed - To reduce or eliminate
It's been axed. Splintered pieces remain for some people.

No, it’s become a targeted benefit for people receiving pension credit. It’s not splintered, it’s quite clear, even if you don’t agree with it.

Actually , it's become a targeted benefit for several groups of people, not just those in receipt of Pension Credit.

Do people think that axed means done away with altogether?

Axe:
to reduce services, jobs, payments, etc. a lot or completely without warning or in a single action

So it has been splintered - been reduced, not done away with completely but still given in several directions.

Casdon Wed 11-Dec-24 14:53:31

Who gets it who is over pension age but not on pension credit Allira, I thought that was the only eligibility criteria?

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 14:58:20

Casdon

Who gets it who is over pension age but not on pension credit Allira, I thought that was the only eligibility criteria?

I wasn't referring just to pensioners obviously but to the criteria for eligibility.

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 14:59:49

Actually , it's become a targeted benefit for several groups of people, not just those in receipt of Pension Credit.

Didn't I say that?
I believe I did.

growstuff Wed 11-Dec-24 15:02:53

crazyH

What baffles me, is how they have come to the conclusion that I am not entitled to WFA - I don’t remember completing any forms or making any declaration regarding my income. Sorry if I have asked this before.

You don't receive Pension Credit, for which you would have completed forms, so are not entitled.

Casdon Wed 11-Dec-24 15:03:13

I don’t think the eligibility for the other groups changed did it?

growstuff Wed 11-Dec-24 15:09:04

I want to know why I haven't received my £10.

On the 27 November, there's a reference on my bank statement P* xxxxx CR, but there's nothing written next to it and my balance didn't increase.

Presumably there's been some kind of computer error, but is it worth trying to contact somebody for £10?

I feel victimised! sad sad sad

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 15:13:50

I must check to see; I get my pension weekly.

growstuff Wed 11-Dec-24 15:27:30

I've just checked the code which appeared and it doesn't seem to be anything to do with the Christmas bonus. I don't honestly know if I can be bothered. My idea of a good time isn't listening to 'information messages' from the Pension Service followed by hours of cheesy music.

Maybe I'll receive it anyway, so it will be a nice surprise.

MissAdventure Wed 11-Dec-24 17:01:39

growstuff

I want to know why I haven't received my £10.

On the 27 November, there's a reference on my bank statement P* xxxxx CR, but there's nothing written next to it and my balance didn't increase.

Presumably there's been some kind of computer error, but is it worth trying to contact somebody for £10?

I feel victimised! sad sad sad

I'll sing a song about it.

growstuff Wed 11-Dec-24 17:10:37

grin

What are you going to do with the money you raise?

Aveline Wed 11-Dec-24 17:17:49

The Christmas number one?

MissAdventure Wed 11-Dec-24 17:18:41

Help all those who haven't received their £10, across the UK.

Hang on, I'm not sure I've had my £10 either, now I think about it.

MissAdventure Wed 11-Dec-24 17:19:54

Aveline

The Christmas number one?

Yep.
I'd like to think so.

Honestly, my voice would move most people to tears. grin