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Novelist urges volunteers to be infected with coronavirus

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craftyone Fri 03-Apr-20 06:04:13

people have unrealistic expectations about immunity, about how long it lasts. It may only last for weeks or months. Stupid and irresponsible request

Hetty58 Fri 03-Apr-20 00:49:16

I think Vickers is deluded to suggest that fitness would necessarily protect a 70 year old. The 'novelist' word jumped out at me. A publicity stunt, no doubt.

GagaJo Fri 03-Apr-20 00:22:45

Yes, Chestnut. Were you the one writing about viral load yesterday?

Chestnut Thu 02-Apr-20 23:38:47

If this could be done in a controlled environment and with a very small dose then the body could cope and destroy the virus. What this small dose is I have no idea, but a controlled dose would surely act like a vaccine, giving the person a very mild illness but enough for them to produce antibodies and make them immune

BradfordLass73 Thu 02-Apr-20 23:31:47

As multi-thousands of people of all ages and cultures have now recovered, I can't see that deliberately infecting anyone is of any use.... and far too risky.

Greeneyedgirl Thu 02-Apr-20 21:28:00

Call me stupid but a very risky idea IMO.

A percentage of those who become infected will need hospitalisation, however fit they are beforehand, and younger people, admittedly rarely, are dying too.

The reason the 'herd immunity' policy was not followed was because of overwhelming health services.

How could the 'fit' but infected ones guarantee that they would not infect others who may become seriously ill, and also initiate spread to the wider community.

How is it possible to know at this early stage a) if immunity will be maintained, or b) mutation of the virus which may zap those previously infected again?

The only way for this idea to be successful is for a huge proportion of the population to have regular testing I think.

M0nica Thu 02-Apr-20 21:14:02

I have just been listening to a radio programme where scientists were being interviewed about how research into a vaccine was being developed. One scientist said they hoped to get a potential vaccine to human testing level by the end of the month.

Surely human testing requires volunteers and this is a standard part of the development of any drug or vaccine, so what is so dramatic about this appeal? It is just the application is different. Cannot help but feel that as an author an appeal like this will be very effective at boosting sales.

I always think that those who boast how fit they are for their age as a reason for doing things that people their age have been told not to do are offering hostages to fortune. As they say pride goes before a fall.

GagaJo Thu 02-Apr-20 20:50:54

Fit and healthy volunteers should be deliberately infected with Covid-19 so they can help fight the pandemic after their recovery, the novelist and NHS psychotherapist Salley Vickers has proposed.

Vickers, 70, suggested that a “controlled policy” of exposing volunteers to the virus under strict conditions might appeal to the “famously off-the-wall thinking” of Boris Johnson’s chief adviser, Dominic Cummings. “I am surely not alone in hoping to get Covid-19 in order to be granted the immunity to return to the world and lend a hand,” she writes in a letter to the Guardian.

She and others would “then be in a unique position to offer up ourselves for research, to provide antibodies, to ameliorate the disease and, finally, join those valiantly fighting to help”.

The suggestion comes amid increasing debate around the idea of “immunity passports” for key workers and others who have had the disease and who could then be fast-tracked back into the workforce.

Although some doubts remain, and the area is the focus of continuing research, UK government experts have said that those who have had the virus once will develop some immunity and it is rare to get an infectious disease twice.

Vickers adds in her letter: “As a former psychotherapist who worked in the NHS, and especially with those with a mortal condition or whose loved ones had sadly died, I feel my services would currently be more worthwhile both to myself and others in that capacity than just dallying at home not getting on with writing my next novel.”

She told the Guardian that she expected people would question the idea on the basis of her age, but said that objective medical evidence such as her low cholesterol and good level of fitness meant she had a much younger physiological age. She said she was already shopping for vulnerable people in her village who were significantly younger.

Vickers is not the first public figure to talk about a policy of deliberate infection. Although in a different context, a senior Formula One chief revealed last month that he suggested the team’s drivers should try to become infected with coronavirus as it is the “ideal time”, as the season is on hold.

Helmut Marko, Red Bull’s head of driver development, said: “We have four Formula One drivers and eight or 10 juniors. The idea was to organise a camp where we could bridge this mentally and physically somewhat dead time and that would be the ideal time for the infection to come.”

Cummings, who has been self-isolating after reportedly developing coronavirus-type symptoms, has been keeping a low profile. Downing Street has rejected as “a highly defamatory fabrication” a claim that he initially argued against strict measures to contain coronavirus.

A report in the Sunday Times claimed that at one private event at the end of February, Cummings outlined the government’s strategy at the time in a way that was summarised by some present as “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad”.

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/02/novelist-salley-vickers-urges-volunteers-to-be-infected-with-coronavirus