Outdoor exercise ban?

People have been warned that it will happen. Maybe now they will listen and do as they are told. If it happens it happens. So sad for those in flats with children...they will be the ones suffering. I do hope people will listen and keep to the rules that are there to protect us all.

No Riverwalk - that was the link to the BBC news report I mentioned. If you scroll down you’ll see the bit about the 3000 people and the park having to be closed.

I think the mental health issues will be far greater if people continue to lose loved ones and can’t get to their funerals, or experience the terror of a loved one being on a ventilator and not knowing if they will live or die. I think the mental health issues arising from not being able to go out for a long walk or jog or cycle for a few weeks will pale into insignificance compared to that.

I agree Monica.

To ban all forms of exercise would be horrendous.
Those with gardens won’t suffer too much.
But just imagine being cooped up in high rise flats with young children.

There is preliminary evidence that the virus may be airborne, therefore anyone going out for walks should be staying further away than 2 metres from other people. Aerosolised particles travel further than water droplets from coughing. Same applies when shopping, of course, but difficult to see how that much separation could be managed.

Just bear it in mind if you are going out. Here in Fortress Bluecat, we won't be taking any chances. DH gets enough exercise with his DIY projects and I'm idle anyway.

Some of those people in London have maybe been having to go to work on crowded tubes and see no reason to avoid people at the weekend.
It's faulty reasoning, but understandable if that's the case.

M0nica Unless you have had a letter or email from the government saying you are in the 'shielded' group, or you have/thinkyou may have or ave been i contact with Covid-19. isolating is an over reaction.
I think you'll find that before the lockdown government advice was for ALL over 70s to self-isolate, probably for some months. So it's not an overreaction, it's what we've been told to do. Maybe you've forgotten.

We live literally between the sea and lakes, neither popular so we can walk our dog without coming across anyone else. As someone with mobility problems, it's very much a case of 'use it or lose it's, so our daily walk is doubly important, but we both agree strongly that the only way we will get through this will be to move to a lock down like in France.

It would be impossibly strict, but even if for just a few weeks, would help us to move forwards. What people seem to forget is that the figures issued daily ONLY represent those being diagnosed or dying in hospital. Were testing to be rolled out into the community it's likely that numbers would increase significantly and people (who aren't already),would take the lifestyle changes more seriously.

Personally I agree with the Swedish approach …..7,000 dead in the entire country (yesterday's figures)...not all of CV some of other causes but all lumped together ! Statistics for UK winter deaths from all causes are normally high …...Sweden has allowed its citizens to be TRUSTED to act in the interests of each other and as a consequence it is a much happier place ...following what little dictats there are and keeping businesses open (with social distancing) likewise restuarants, bars and cafes....citizens on the streets interviewed yesterday are happy with their governments arrangements and happy they are not being treated like children and happy to follow what rules there are in place. I think the proof will come later...and it will be interesting to see if those countries that have employed what is virtually military law and those that have relied on their citizens to behave responsibly come off better ...there will still be, albeit a reduced, economy, there will still be employment...there will still be deaths but NOT mass hysteria

The problem is, other countries have far higher social responsibility to each other. It’s obvious that the UK does not seem to have a high social responsibility based by the people who are out and about constantly.

Chestnut all over 70s were not told to self exclude, which was what isolation means. The exact rules are given in the Public Health England document www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults.

Those of us that haven't been docketed are strongly advised to socially distance and only go outside for food or health reasons Nowhere does it say we have to go into isolation, however you word it.

These tight regulations have been extended to everybody for three weeks, while for over 70s it is 3 months.

SirChenjin yes I know it was reported on the BBC and everywhere else, my point was that I couldn't find any footage to confirm the claim.

That’s not quite the picture in Sweden according to Forbes.com as at yesterday - “...But as the curve of new infections and deaths in Sweden gets steeper (the total dead rose 12% from Friday to Saturday, bringing the latest figure to 373), and more and more from outside Sweden question the country’s approach, it’s beginning to feel less sustainable. And it seems that as Sweden’s infection and death rates begin to exceed that of neighbors Denmark and Norway, both of which have stricter lockdowns in place, that especially could cause leadership to consider more comprehensive restrictions. Yesterday Prime Minister Stefan Lofven warned that Sweden may see “thousands” of deaths from COVID-19.”

RTE reports from 6 hours ago that “Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf has urged Swedes to refrain from Easter travels to loved ones in a bid to curb the spread of Covid-19, as the death toll rises in one of Europe's few countries not in lockdown.

Sweden, whose softer measures to combat the spread of the new coronavirus have drawn criticism both at home and abroad, had reported 6,830 confirmed cases of the illness and 401 deaths by yesterday. That is up from 3,700 cases and 110 deaths one week earlier”

Those are just two recent articles but others seem to suggest that the tide is starting to turn in Sweden. The countries which have had the most success in combating it like S Korea and Taiwan have taken a very different approach.

In Scotland, we were told that everyone eligible for flu vaccine should stay in.
So, everyone of 65 or over and people with various health conditions.

My youngest DD has a tiny garden but her house backs on to fields. She has a very very active 2 year old (besides a 1 year old and a 9 year old!) if the 2 year old is not taken out for some sort of intense exercise at least once a day he is a nightmare! The garden is not big enough to meet his needs and so the daily kick a ball about in the field is a must!
DD 2 and DGD live in a 2 bed flat by the beach with no out door space so her exercise is a walk on the beach every day; it can’t be avoided that it’s the beach and it annoys me that other selfish people drive there to take their exercise and walk dogs risking all of it becoming out of bounds!

Talking of Taiwan, I heard on the BBC World Service that the deputy prime minister, formerly health minister, is an Epidemiologist who trained at the renowned Johns Hopkins University.

That's interesting Riverwalk; no wonder they've been so proactive.

...now, if only Raab was an expert in epidemiology [or an expert in anything for that matter...]...

I don’t read it like that, FarNorth, I read it as those under 70 who have the flu vaccine for health reasons, not simply age, are the ones who are more vulnerable.

www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-covid-19-general-advice

I go out to shop once a week just for essentials everyone keeps their distance. My husband takes our dog out it's a very woody area he does not usually see anyone. I keep busy in the house and garden but lack enthusiasm as I am missing my family. They do what's app us but it makes me worse worrying about them. One lady said her husband saw Police officers on the beat what a fortunate community that must be. We never see the police our station closed nearly ten years ago. I have heard of situations of people being aggressive in the shops especially now stressed out because of the virus. There are no police around and things could get out of hand.

I suppose, Laibak, if he was an epidemiologist he would be doing that job and not whatever he is doing!!

Just checked. He is a lawyer.

But, in mitigation, you do not have to be qualified for a job to be able to do it.
How many people have careers which may bear no relationship to their original qualifications?

I have seen a few police cars driving around and when I was out on my bike on a track not far from here I saw a police office walking around. I think they are looking for groups of people not us exercising because I just cycled pass hime with a nod. Usually we don't see any police one patrol.

A lot of the ones breaking the rules are young people, several have been warned locally all gatheed on a country path with bikes, all very close together
Also friends visiting each others flats/houses having parties
Just ridiculous
My son had a lot of noise going on in a flat beneath him,seems like druggies and there were about 12 lads in there making a racket
The flats are warden controlled and mosly elderly people
Can't think why a young man on drugs would be given a flat in that area
I know they have to live somewhere, but not among'st elderly and some disabled people
The council have only recently moved a druggie ou from another flat as he had people round a lot of the time,plus selling drugs through his window

To add to my comment re number of people living in apartments in Italy and Spain, these are the 2015 statistics provided by a population survey.

Italy. 52%
Spain. 66%
UK. 18%

So my comment was valid

I have 3 dogs and take them out 4 times per day. My daughter and I manage this between us. It would not be possible to reduce them to one walk per day as one of them is very old and would not be able to hold himself. My garden is minute and it would be extremely unhygenic to allow them to use it as a toilet.

I take them out at 7am - never see anyone else. My daughter does the noon walk, which is thier exercise walk and she tries to take them to somewhere there are not many people. I do a quick toilet walk at 6 and she does the last walk at bedtime. It is exercise for both us and the dogs. Although we live in London it is a quiet area and up to now, there has been no real problem.

The only other time I go out is to my allotment. Then it is staight out of the door and into the car, and when I get there, straight out of the car park and onto the allotment. I have always been very anti-social when I go there so nobody even tries to get close to me!

I do need the exercise, otherwise my arthritus would make life unbearable.