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If you read the Twitter thread posted above, I think you'll see the Irish are happy with their governments approach. As are the South Koreans and New Zealanders (I have friends who live in both of the latter two places). The Swedes WERE happy with their government, but the tide there seems to be turning, with the population feeling the 'no lockdown' approach was wrong.

Where populations can SEE the death rate has been lowered through government intervention, the population are happy. We, as one of the worst in the world, would have to be happy with the opium of the masses, to believe our leaders have done well.

It didn't have to be like this. It's not like they were starting from scratch. They could look to China, Italy and Spain. It's not like they had no advice. They had WHO, the experts, advising them.

No. I wouldn't want to be in charge. I'm not a leader. But if I was WAY out of my depth in a situation, I would ask those that knew what they were talking about for help. Not ignore what they said.

And as for people not being happy about the lockdown, I would imagine they'd be even less happy about family members dying. I read this morning about a family where a father, mother and daughter all died within 10 days of each other. The brother that is left is crushed with grief.

Or you Pamela?

Jane can I ask...did you bother to read my link?

I feel it is such a shame that we have the government that we do rather than some of the posters on here who have all the answers.
Any government will be criticised by a good proportion of the governed.
I am not saying that our leaders have got everything right but I don’t doubt that they are trying very hard to do so.
I, for one, am glad I’m not in their shoes.

I'm gobsmacked at comments like the one above. ?

GagaJo, at the end of the day, the government will have nowhere to hide. They can try to deflect the blame (like Trump) but the death figures for each country will eventually show clearly who fared better - or worse.

There will be a review of who did what and when, cause and effect, efficiency and prompt action - or half-measures, too little, too late. There is no way to 'bury the bad news' about this virus.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that there are still a few comments about 'our government doing well' - despite all the evidence!

Why the U.K. has more than twice as many deaths per 100,000 than Ireland

This says it all. It points to delay in action by our government.

Whitewave2: I cannot work out what you mean by "You owe it to them to ensure the piper pays the price". There are two commonplace expressions involving pipers and paying: "He who pays the piper calls the tune" (ie he is in charge), and something along the lines of "he will (eventually) have to pay the piper" (ie he will (eventually) have to take responsibility). Both involve the piper being paid, not the piper doing the paying. So what are you trying to say?

The lockdown isn’t lax and it’s causing misery for a large number of people. It can’t go on indefinitely and the sooner it’s lifted the better.

Oh, of course the lockdown is lax compared to other countries.

The spiros = the virus

If you feel anger, generate it to China who have underplayed the virus they created and spread!! They also seem to be doing a good job of bungling supplies to the NHS. Why does China have to make everything? Can't we do it here? Aren't we capable? Come on Brits, make the protective gear the NHS needs, then we don't have to rely on China.

....these all seem like good reasons to be angry at your own country. Not China.

Anyone who thought the Spiros was not much of anything after they locked down a city of 11 million people is an idiot. Maybe they were down playing, maybe they weren’t, but anyone watching that I’m not thinking that we should all start preparing is either a wishful thinker or a moron.

A pandemic has been at the top of most countries threat assessment for years. Many of our western countries have let us down.

Laibak

Oh dear is that all you said. Why you felt the need to post about me I am not sure , I could ask if you are you 'ganging up on me' if I were a child.

I never saw your post but if that was all that was said please GNHQ reinstate the deleted post because I care not a jot what certain posters post about me, I sure as hell never reported it.

Maw and Callistemn
Good posts.

Assume away MawB; from what I can recall it was a post asking POGS if she'd got out of bed the wrong way this morning.

You said that the ICU staff at Thomas's would have given Boris Johnson preferential treatment, Laibak. A slur on their professionalism and the care they give to all their patients.

However, I can't be bothered to point that out to you again.

Good night.

I did think your comments about the dedicated staff at St Thomas's were most offensive Laibak. You have not apologised for those as far as I know and continue with your nasty insinuations about them
I am assuming this refers to the deleted post?
Sometimes posts should be left up so that all can see them and form their own opinion.

Criticising the government and the PM is not criticising the NHS.

I cannot imagine how anybody can sink so low as to criticise let alone attack ICU staff - or any NHS or care home staff. These people’s working days are long and fraught with risk- risks none of us would choose to be exposed to and it says more about those who criticise them than about any public figure.

Urmstongran has definitely been away in her holiday home for a very good while because she has mentioned this ages ago on another thread.
As far as GagaJo is concerned, it’s my opinion only, but I think she was wise to get out of Switzerland when she could and it sounds as though she took all reasonable precautions, which is probably a lot more than many of the thousands of others who’ve been flying into the country since then. And since she arrived she hasn’t left the flat/house (not sure which) that is her home in England, as I understand it from what she’s said.
I don’t think merlot is ganging up on anyone.
There are some unpleasant posts about Boris Johnson though. I think he should be left alone to recuperate, it’s really unpleasant to kick a man when he’s down, metaphorically speaking. And I don’t think it’s appropriate to play party politics during a pandemic. Keir Starmer isn’t!

Sensible post, * MawB*

I am still feeling raw about the attack on the professionalism of ICU staff, hence my post.

I am sure you did all you thought necessary at the time Gagajo and the pull to come home must have been very strong. With the benefit of hindsight and knowing what we know now, namely that a person can be contagious while asymptomatic for a good 5 days before any symptoms appear, you were lucky and were I in a position to advise anybody in a similar position now I would say that learning of a possible contact in your workplace, a full 14 days quarantine before moving in with your family would have been advisable.
However you were lucky as I said and others have not been.
It is not for me to judge Urmstongran , nor indeed you, Labaik but my assumption is that finding themselves in Spain when the lockdown started, they felt it wiser to stay put rather than risk bringing any infection home with them or expose other travellers en route. Lashing out at other people’s actions helps nobody but now we know what we do, we must act in accordance with government advice - no bending of the rules, no exceptions, no sneaking a cuddle with the grandkids and no moving in or out of homes.

I did think your comments about the dedicated staff at St Thomas's were most offensive Laibak. You have not apologised for those as far as I know and continue with your nasty insinuations about them. No, I am not ganging up, just very angry on behalf of those in the ICU putting their lives at risk for anyone who needs them. That would mean you too, whether you accuse them of lying or not.

I think you’ll find Urmstongran was already in Spain at the beginning of March Laibak ( she’ll probably confirm later) and has been there ever since under lockdown!

It was DH and I who were due to fly there on 30 March but didn’t.

Labaik I have said nothing venomous about GagaJo and I am certainly not ganging up on anyone.

I'm merely pointing out why I thought she had maybe not taken the advice of her Chinese friend although she was quoting it to others.

Urmstongran has nothing to do with this and should be left out of it.

Is anyone saying anything about Urmstongran flying out to wherever she has her holiday home or is just lets all gang up on GagaJo time?? Talk about petri dishes; this forum is downright venomous at the moment....