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GagaJo Mon 13-Apr-20 09:17:55

We need to be angry. We need to hold the government to account.

Yes, many of the populace are not abiding by the very lax lockdown. BUT the government should have abided by the WHO advice to TEST, TEST, TEST. By not doing that, they will have cost tens of thousands of British deaths. Our family members, our friends, our colleagues.

When this is over / slowing down, they need to be held accountable. We had THREE months notice. We watched Italy and Spain. And yet, they did nothing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2jsLJsSxRe8KZ21zS-K3eLKre7QRajhPRhzpLliH2NnAJ9iQwM9Km-FmI

Iam64 Tue 14-Apr-20 21:47:30

Chewie - that made me laugh. For that, thank you so much.

Chewbacca Tue 14-Apr-20 21:44:56

I'm not sure what the connection between the boy who cried wolf, and Boris Johnson becoming infected with COVID19, is Labaik. Has Boris claimed to have had serious illnesses in the past and then it's been found that he's not been ill at all?--this is getting weirder by the minute--.

merlotgran Tue 14-Apr-20 21:36:10

I had also been isolating for a week, up to the point I flew.

I'm afraid that doesn't count once you leave your place of residence and take a flight to another country. You have to reset the clock.

www.gransnet.com/forums/health/1275001-Anyone-got-symptoms?pg=1

If you glance down your posts on this thread you started you can see why I assumed you'd been in contact with your headmaster. You didn't mention you had nothing to worry about because you'd only clapped eyes on him once or twice in the distance. In fact everyone was genuinely concerned about you.

I'm also not the only one who thought you took a chance flying back to the UK given the situation.

Labaik Tue 14-Apr-20 21:32:28

I have never said he wasn't ill. I'm just pointing out that when someone lies about a lot of things sometimes you get a boy who cried wolf situation. I really don't like people who lie. Simple as that.

Anniebach Tue 14-Apr-20 21:32:02

Drug addict ? Rubbish, he did cocaine in the 80’s, if he was
addicted what state would he be in now ?

Faked critical illness ? Named nurses, the parents of one of the
two nurses gave a tv interview , if he had faked the illness someone would have sold the story to the press.

Chewbacca Tue 14-Apr-20 21:06:52

I've no idea how many times he's been sacked for lying Labaik but I accept and acknowledge that you're pretty hung up about it; even to the extent that you suspect he may not have been critically ill in hospital after all. Just a bit silly really.

GagaJo Tue 14-Apr-20 20:37:35

Merlotgran, this isn't the first time you've incorrectly assumed something about me.

I had NOT been in contact with the colleague who tested positive. The HM of my school was found to be positive 3 days after I left the school and he informed us all by email. I've only clapped eyes on him once or twice in the far distance. I've certainly never had any contact with him.

As to the second part of your post, yes, I did discuss it with my Chinese friend. I discussed my situation with her. We talked about how many known cases in my village (at that point it was 5 or 6 BUT, as we all know, there will have been more untested) and what I should do. I couldn't follow ALL her advice because some of the things she recommended, I couldn't do. BUT I did wear a mask. I had plenty of hand sanitizer. I took alcohol wipes and wiped down the area around my plane seat (the couple next to me were also wearing masks, I shared my wipes with them). I stayed as far away from others as I could. Sitting on the floor in the airport in the remotest corner that I could until time to board.

Bearing in mind that this was now well over a month ago. Well before we went into lockdown, although my UK family had been in lockdown for a week by the time I got home. I had also been isolating for a week, up to the point I flew.

Labaik Tue 14-Apr-20 20:17:17

You don't have to scrape far to find something about Johnson, though. How many times has he been sacked for lying?

Chewbacca Tue 14-Apr-20 20:07:18

Drug addiction, faked critical illness, digging up past private matters; the bottom of the barrel is being well and truly scraped by some posters on here.

Callistemon Tue 14-Apr-20 19:35:20

Remember that headline in The News of the World?
'Prince Charles Denies taking Drugs'
(Because he hadn't)

It's how you tell 'em!!

Labaik Tue 14-Apr-20 19:25:53

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maddyone Tue 14-Apr-20 19:12:31

I don’t go out at all either. I look longingly at the lovely sunny weather, and I’d really like a walk, but I’ve resisted and haven’t been further than the garden. I think it’s the safest way to be honest. I have asthma and take a high dose steroid/bronco dilator inhaler plus an oral medication every day to control the symptoms. My daughter who is a GP has told me that I should be on the ‘shielded’ list because of the strength of the inhaler I use but as yet I haven’t had a letter. She has told me that I should phone my doctor and ask why I haven’t had the letter. I haven’t up to now though. Anyway, that’s why I’m not leaving the house or garden.

POGS Tue 14-Apr-20 19:12:16

Gagajo

'Johnson admitted to taking cocaine. '
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Did you read your link and consider that to be proof Johnson is a drug user as previously mentioned.?

I think in general if it was then some responses by a few MP's when asked about their youth and taking drugs would be enlightening.

POGS Tue 14-Apr-20 19:07:55

Merlit

Fairly made point/question.

merlotgran Tue 14-Apr-20 17:51:45

my best friend is in China. She said weeks ago, LONG before there was a lockdown: Stay in. Don't go out AT ALL. IF it's an emergency, wear a mask and gloves.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, GagaJo, but did your friend in China give you this advice while you were still working in Europe and had been in contact with a colleague who tested positive?

If so, I'm surprised you then flew to the UK to be with your family, thereby ignoring her advice and risking infecting others?

tickingbird Tue 14-Apr-20 14:23:52

I have to go to the shops though. I have had two home deliveries but weeks before I can get another one. I only go once a week and wear a mask and gloves but it does freak me out a bit I must admit. I have dettol wipes in the car.

Labaik Tue 14-Apr-20 13:45:50

A facebook chum of mine bought some masks in January when he first started to worry about where we were heading. They were £6.99. They're now selling for£100.

GagaJo Tue 14-Apr-20 13:36:00

Nana3 and Labaik, my best friend is in China. She said weeks ago, LONG before there was a lockdown: Stay in. Don't go out AT ALL. IF it's an emergency, wear a mask and gloves.

We can't get masks or gloves (despite ordering them over a month ago) BUT we have locked in totally. No supermarket. No outside exercise.

Pikachu Tue 14-Apr-20 13:29:58

Anything that forms a barrier even if not 100% is better than nothing. I think that seatbelt arguement has been disproven for the majority and that will apply here.

surfsup Tue 14-Apr-20 13:20:01

I have also heard several times 'experts' saying they do stop us touching our faces so much which is one of main ways the virus transmits apart from breathing in the droplets. It has made me aware of how much I touch my face - apparently we do it over a thousand times a day without realising which is scary. Keep washing those hands!

Labaik Tue 14-Apr-20 12:57:07

I don't know about everyone else but, when we start to come out of this it worries me that doing things eg going to a supermarket again will give me panic attacks. However wearing a face mask would give me some sort of reassurance. I did read earlier today [I'll try to find it but it was a comment on facebook from someone who lives there] that compliance, in general in Thailand isn't very good but people do wear face masks and this has resulted in a much lower mortality rate. I apologise if I've got this wrong as I was just browsing half asleep on my ipad. I think the comparison with the UK and Ireland that I mentioned earlier is in todays Times so I'll try to find a link to that.

MaizieD Tue 14-Apr-20 12:21:14

Masks, apart from the really high spec medical ones, will not prevent the virus particles getting through to you because they don't have small enough holes.

What they will do, as a far as I understand, is prevent such a wide spread of droplets from the cough/sneeze of an infected person if they are wearing one, and maybe prevent the entry of a large number of virus particles.

I have seen comments to the effect that people wearing masks and gloves have been observed to be more lax in observing social distancing and indulging in riskier behaviours.

I recall that there was a similar argument made against compulsory seatbelt wearing in the '70s.. so I don't know if it is valid, Worth a thought, though.

tickingbird Tue 14-Apr-20 10:39:37

Gagajo Sorry was half asleep.

Nana3 Tue 14-Apr-20 10:18:47

A friend in Italy called us before any government advice was given and said,
Why is your country not doing anything? It's coming to you.

GagaJo Mon 13-Apr-20 21:36:39

A response to your comment of 13.4.20. 14.48. tickingbird.

You misinterpreted my 'bully boy' comment.