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Details of warning supplied to the government of coronavirus

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 07:43:21

More information relating to the governments failure to act.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemic

Oopsadaisy3 Sat 25-Apr-20 08:34:32

They were warned of a Flu Pandemic, I’ve had Flu jabs, I would have assumed that I would be ok if the Government had warned me last year.
COVID isn’t the Flu and needs totally different medical equipment. I don’t see how they can have planned for an unknown virus.

Daisymae Sat 25-Apr-20 08:39:29

Flu changes every year so a jab would not offer protection against a new strain. I think all the government could contemplate was Brexit. The workings of the government basically stalled

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 08:40:43

It is warning of a pandemic which is becoming more and more likely. Not just seasonal flu.

Oopsadaisy3 Sat 25-Apr-20 08:43:53

So how could they plan for a totally unknown Pandemic then?
People are already complaining that the pop up hospitals are under utilised, and I doubt that any planning could have helped with most of the world on lock down.
But I would welcome your thoughts on how the UK could have planned for something that the rest of the world also hadn’t planned for and is equally badly affected.

Anniebach Sat 25-Apr-20 08:47:17

Only the U.K. government were warned ?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 08:51:28

They plan with the advise given by the scientists. That is constantly taking place assuming all sorts of scenarios. In this case it was an assumed pandemic.

It is the absolute responsibility for government to run these scenarios and plan and prepare for the worst.

If they don’t do that they are abdicating their right to govern.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 08:53:11

Civil servants, medical staff, scientists, including biological warfare, MOD staff.etc all take part in these events. All classified and all very important.

Toadinthehole Sat 25-Apr-20 08:54:35

I’m fed up with hearing about how badly the government has done. This is unprecedented, and I think they’ve done and are still doing...their best.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:02:48

But they are simply not learning from their mistakes.

“Hancock doesn’t learn when a promise he has made isn’t delivered, he simply makes a bigger promise”

Peter Kylie.

lemongrove Sat 25-Apr-20 09:03:06

I agree Toadinthehole ??
The OP is really only interested in rubbishing a Conservative government in my view, and starts multiple threads along those lines almost daily.
Boring.....but if it makes her happy....

Toadinthehole Sat 25-Apr-20 09:07:38

But White, they’re having to learn as they go along. Sometimes it’s the only way. There’s an interesting discussion between scientists on channel 4, who say this very thing.

Bathsheba Sat 25-Apr-20 09:08:25

I'll ask the question that Anniebach asked and hasn't received an answer yet. Was it only the UK government that was warned?

And can you tell me why you consider the UK government to be incompetent, while no other country in the world has managed to control this pandemic? Or are they all just as incompetent?

Perhaps you believe that Labour would have been able to do what no other government in the world has accomplished. Wow, I wish I had your faith!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:11:51

Oh dear another its in the Guardian so it must be true thread grin

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:14:57

Yes of course it was only the U.K. government.

Theses scenarios are run by the various actors for and by the U.K. government. They are happening all the time and the outcomes are recommendation for government action.

Undoubtedly other governments run the same scenarios but unless there is an international scenario, of the sort run say by the EU or NATO etc.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:17:49

LEMON. PERSONAL REMARKS ARE NASTY AND UNPLEASANT.

Please try to engage in the debate or ignore it.

I will be more than happy to debate the issue but not engage with the sort of remarks you have made.

Oopsadaisy3 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:21:43

Oh well if actors are sorting it all out or us then it’s no wonder we are unprepared.
Unless it was George Clooney, I’d believe George Clooney, but not Tom Cruise,
George would have known that the whole world would need PPEs and breathing apparatus and would have ordered it all immediately.

Oopsadaisy3 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:21:55

For us, oops....

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:24:04

Oh dear oops not those sort of actors????.

I mean those taking part in the exercise. So you would have MOD, MI5/6 civil servants, scientists etc etc.

BlueSky Sat 25-Apr-20 09:27:49

So Corbyn & Co would have had it under control from day one?

Fiachna50 Sat 25-Apr-20 09:38:09

Im with Toad and am sick of the media who seem to do nothing but stir things up and panic people. We now need to deal with Covid19 and the issues surrounding it. The journalists stupid and repetitive questions also get on my nerves. I am now beginning to avoid all but a daily update of news. It is also better for my mental health. Yes, with some things the government could have done better but Im still convinced this country has a 'cannot happen here ' attitude and thats exactly how we missed Ebola more by luck than good judgement. Thats me said my piece. I don't waste time on media and journalists.

MaizieD Sat 25-Apr-20 09:49:37

It worries me that some of the people posting on this thread seem to have no idea of what the responsibilities of a government are.

Spanish flu was 'only flu' Oopsadaisy. That didn't stop it killing millions of people worldwide over the course of two years.

Besides which, the Cygnus exercise in 2016 showed that the NHS wasn't even prepared for a flu pandemic but the tories did nothing about it..

Greeneyedgirl Sat 25-Apr-20 10:01:03

I'm not sure planning for a pandemic is a party political issue, as I think such planning has taken place periodically whichever government has been in power.
However we have had warnings in recent years with Ebola, MERS, "Swine flu" and Zika, to name a few, which should have concentrated the government's mind.
The last Exercise named "Cyrus" in 2016 apparently identified weaknesses and lack of readiness and equipment for such an pandemic, so it is untrue to say that this current outbreak couldn't have been foreseen.
Unfortunately it seems as if such planning is just a "paper exercise" and that Austerity and Brexit took precedence, therefore I do hold this government responsible for neglecting to plan realistically for the inevitable.
Government ministers been asked, but will not disclose details of Exercise Cyrus. There's such a lack of transparency unfortunately.

Greeneyedgirl Sat 25-Apr-20 10:01:58

Sorry Cygnus not Cyrus!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Apr-20 10:21:20

greeneyedgirl a good post, and what is so obvious if you study the evidence.