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“The Left's hysterical 'confusion' over No 10's plan is utterly transparent

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Glorybee Tue 12-May-20 07:04:48

This comment in the Telegraph is interesting-

“It’s finally happened. The partisan politics that was suspended at the outbreak of this crisis has returned in full force. Initially the opposition signalled, publicly at least, that it was going to be constructive and help the Government. The three devolved administrations of the United Kingdom moved in lockstep, and reciprocal praise and good will was abundant.

Shadow Chancellor Aneliese Dodds even took to the radio before the lockdown to promote the Government’s line of following SAGE, resisting pressure to close schools or confine people to their homes.

Over the weekend, however, that all changed. Starting with Welsh Labour and the Scottish Nationalist Party, politicians decided that now is the time to unilaterally end the effective ceasefire our politics had been suspended in for weeks, and go on the attack. No longer were there warm words for the Government emphasising the challenges they face, instead the green light was given for politicisation.

The Labour Party have now curiously clearly positioned themselves as the pro-lockdown party, seemingly ready to resist changes in messaging and shifts to any state of affairs that do not resemble house arrest. Ironically, Sir Keir Starmer was among the initial few voices to demand a route out of the lockdown in the first place. Now that the Government is doing exactly that, however, Labour’s mood music has shifted.

The political games were clear to see. Whatever Boris had said on Sunday evening, the Left wing parties were ready to spin it as uncaring, unscientific, incomprehensible, or a curious mix of all three. This became the moment that the lockdown divides truly became partisan.”.

“The same Labour MPs who pretended their 2019 Brexit policy was the most straightforward thing in the world to understand are now expressing faux outrage over government communications. Perhaps they genuinely feel that the concept of the rate of infection helping determine how much of the economy can open up is somehow wildly incomprehensible. Perhaps they are just going along with the crowd. Either way it is back to politics as usual.”

Furret Tue 12-May-20 07:31:57

The Telegraph owned by billionaires Barclay Brothers.

Battle lines drawn. Conservatives prioritising wealth. Labour prioritising health.

Take your pick.

ladymuck Tue 12-May-20 07:35:27

Whatever Boris does or says, the Opposition will oppose. It's their raison d'etre.

Riverwalk Tue 12-May-20 07:36:42

Not only is the Left confused - this is also from The Telegraph

"It was the day after Boris Johnson announced the new rules of lockdown – and even the man himself seemed to concede that they were a recipe for confusion. “Clearly when you’re coming out of a message that is so gloriously simple as ‘Stay Home’,” he admitted to the Commons, “there will inevitably be complexities…”

The Prime Minister then unwittingly demonstrated this, by immediately muddling up his own advice. “You should stay at home if you can,” he explained, “but go to work if you must – if your job doesn’t allow you to go to work.”

He meant, of course, if your job doesn’t allow you to work from home. At least, I assume he did. He didn’t correct himself."

The PM's confusion is also utterly transparent

MaizieD Tue 12-May-20 07:41:21

Without health there will be no wealth.

vegansrock Tue 12-May-20 07:47:24

He couldn’t answer the question from a teacher - why is it not safe for me to meet my relatives but its safe for me to teach a class full of children?

Is it not political when sycophants say the government is doing brilliantly, whatever they do?

eazybee Tue 12-May-20 07:53:04

The job of the opposition Party is to oppose, to question, to evaluate, but also in times of national crisis, to support the government. At present the role of opposition is being undertaken most enthusiastically by the self-appointed defenders of public liberty, the Press; 'it's our job to hold the government to account' shrieked one female reporter when her question at the the daily briefing wasn't heard.
No,it is not; their job, as reporters, is to report the news in as unbiased and truthful way as is possible, by presenting facts, not opinions.
A letter in today's Daily Telegraph comments on the writer's morning listening which consisted of 'the stream of union leaders, representatives from the devolved governments, and opposition politicians complaining.,,,' (about schools and businesses and government guidance).' This is why I, in common with so many people, increasingly switch off the 'news' as it has evolved into one long attack on the Government, led by the BBC.

GrannyLaine Tue 12-May-20 08:06:05

The question from the teacher is disingenuous vegansrock. Safety is not an absolute concept. The teacher will need to take measures to do the job as safely as possible when the time comes for a limited few children to return to school. Does that translate to then being 'a special case' and meeting with their wider family with the attendant risk of acquiring /transmitting infection? Its about as daft as checkout operators asking the same question.......

Whitewavemark2 Tue 12-May-20 08:07:32

I must disagree eazybee

The press’s job is absolutely to hold the government to account. And to question and pick over everything it does.

We live in a democracy. Apparently you haven’t noticed.

Yes there is bias. I, as a social democrat am more than aware of this. There are academic studies that back my assumption.

I bet you can’t find any studies that back your assertion of bias against the right.

almostelderly Tue 12-May-20 08:10:14

It will be interesting to see the reaction when the 80 per percent furlough pay is discussed. If this is reduced it will be catastrophic for many people. Teachers are on full pay and some unions were advising them not to participate in online teaching, it was no use apparently, and now some teachers are threatening not to return if primary schools reopen in June. Health and Safety apparently which is understandable but have they not heard of the NHS and other key workers?

Furret Tue 12-May-20 08:11:57

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BlueBelle Tue 12-May-20 08:13:42

Love the clarity of Keir Starmer which only highlights the bumbler all the more
The Tory press will soon try to bring him down

Furret Tue 12-May-20 08:24:00

Teaching unions were NOT advising teachers to ‘not participate in online lessons’ as if they were suggesting they just sit at home and do nothing on full pay. There were safety and other implications so I suggest you read a balanced view.

teachers warned of safety issues

It’s not just the teachers either who understand the unique problems inherent in opening schools, especially to 4-6 year olds, parents are not happy either.

Conditions in Reception and Y1 classes cannot be compared with ‘NHS and other key workers’. Would any of those have to deal with 30 unmasked unsocialised potential carriers, who insist on holding your hand or cuddling each other, all at one time in a limited space?

vegansrock Tue 12-May-20 08:26:44

Unlike you *grannyLaine” BJ couldn’t answer the question.

GrannyLaine Tue 12-May-20 08:29:13

Furret you are making an awful lot of assumptions there. My daughter is a teacher and my entire career was in the NHS, so let's just get that out of the way.
.You may be "an old granny sat at home safe and smugly" but I most certainly am not. People that demand absolute safety aren't being realistic: in real life we manage and minimise risk on a daily basis. Doing that in an intelligent way is what keeps us reasonably safe. I have enormous respect for the thousands of supermarket workers who have endured a great deal in the past couple of months to keep the nation fed. Each and every one that I have met has just got on with it with great humour and dignity.

Furret Tue 12-May-20 08:37:13

Well Granny I can top your assumption in spades re family and self in education and medicIne (or does your ‘career in the NHS’ mean a desk job??) so let’s get that out of the way too. All I can say is you certainly don’t sound like any frontline worker in either of those professions or you would have a rather different perspective.

Good girl though for your sympathy with supermarket staff. Full marks there. .

GrannyLaine Tue 12-May-20 08:38:55

Ha, thanks vegansrock fair point grin
But to be fair, BJ didn't have the advantage of being snuggled in bed with a nice cup of coffee and a laptop.

almostelderly Tue 12-May-20 08:39:09

I am aware of the difficulties facing teachers in primary schools. My grandchildren are 6 and 8 years of age. I also read numerous read numerous articles to reach a 'balanced view'. I am more than aware of the dangers facing our key workers. My daughter in law is the assistant manager of a large health centre in the middle of Haringay. She contracted the virus and was very ill. Luckily she did not have to be hospitalised but went back to work earlier than advised to aid her fellow workers and patients.

GrannyLaine Tue 12-May-20 08:42:20

Cut your spite furret, I was a midwife. My daughter is currently doing an incredible job teaching online classes and homeschooling her own three children. Her working day at the moment is often 7.30am till 10pm. True grit.

Furret Tue 12-May-20 08:42:24

Good luck with your reading then, and then explain that to your average reception pupil ?

EllanVannin Tue 12-May-20 08:45:03

ANY sort of work is a risk in this climate right now, no matter what it is and I admire anyone going out of their front doors to face the unknown as this is what this virus is.

Daisymae Tue 12-May-20 09:10:30

The vast majority of people if any political persuasion would support measures that made sense and achieved their aims. It's in no one's interest to fail but the fact that this policy has unravelled so quickly points to many flaws.

SueEH Tue 12-May-20 09:15:37

Changing tack a little here whilst sticking with the risk assessment theme. We risk assess - usually automatically - from when we get out of bed in the morning. Usually, for most of us, we get it pretty well right most of the time. But. There comes a point in this whole damned scary scenario beyond which the breakdown of the economy causes more death and deprivation than the actual pandemic from which we're trying to hide. We may be near that point, no-one can predict what will happen in the future. I'm not an expert - I'm currently working one job from home and furloughed from another, but I feel that it is essential that we do get back to work as soon as is possible and safe. I'm not supporting the government - I'm a Labour voter - and think that the Conservative spiel is very confusing at the moment. However, neither am I currently impressed by the Labour. The job of Her Majesty's Opposition is to, er, oppose.... but surely in these times working together would be more productive and inspire more confidence from the public. It can only be baby steps and must be done within strict guidelines, but we cannot let our economy contract much more than it already has.

GrannyLaine Tue 12-May-20 09:39:16

Good points SueEH. I absolutely agree. We can't continue to live in lockdown forever.

growstuff Tue 12-May-20 09:41:40

Dominic Raab seemed confused on Monday morning. I wasn't aware he's embraced left-wing politics.