Don't clap for us. You have stabbed us in the back

The way some people behave is appalling.

I'm shocked at how some NHS workers don't follow the guidelines. There was a post here on GN about a midwife flouting the guidelines.

A lady we know who is a ward sister, and has spent the entire time since lock down posting on FB about staying at home and protecting the NHS, put a pic on FB yesterday of her and her husband in someone else's garden, all sat together on a garden bench.

Just last week she'd posted x rays of covid affected lungs and 'normal' lungs to show the extent of the damage the virus can do.

I spoke to a friend today who has a GP practice nurse for a neighbour whose 2 teenage sons go out on their bikes with friends when they call for them, and on their return, 2 or 3 of the friends go into the house.

It appears that some NHS staff are their stabbing their colleagues in the back.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Do nurses feel the same way when people present in A&E as a direct result of their foolish or reckless behaviour? By and large, I don't think they do. I have never felt happy about the Thursday night clapping because I think its unfair to all the other groups who have worked throughout the crisis, keeping the country going. Its important that everyone feels valued for their contribution. I'm sure, as before, I will be lambasted for having "no idea how hard our nurses and doctors are working", but I'll save folks the trouble by saying actually, I do, I have been one of them. I commend them wholeheartedly for it. And when I am on the receiving end of their exceptional care, I make sure that they know how much it is appreciated.

None of us who voted against the vote leave government being run by Dominic Cummings have stabbed the carers and NHS workers in the back.

But those who did vote for these charlatans should hang their heads in shame.

Well I voted for the present government and have no need nor intention of hanging my head in shame varian.

What makes you think that none of those "who voted against the leave government" aren't going against the guidlelines?

For goodness sake, there are NHS workers who don't stick to the rules and I'm sure there are amongst them, those who didn't vote for the current government.

I feel very uncomfortable about this 'clapping' thing.
In one way, it's good that people are recognising the unselfish work of healthworkers. But in others it's a bit of an insult - how can you equate the risk to life that they take every day with a clapping of hands?
If you really feel grateful, write letters or a nice card to your local hospital etc or volunteer your help.

When this clapping started their was a post about it and I gave voice to how I disliked it and thought it was very hypocritical of some people who were one minute clapping and the next not following the rules. I must say most people slagged me off. So it great to hear that I am not the only one unhappy with it. Remember the Tory government clapped when the nurses didn't get their pay rise.

Just want to say please excuse any mistakes I have lost my reading glasses, again.

None of us who voted against the vote leave government being run by Dominic Cummings have stabbed the carers and NHS workers in the back.

So are you saying that the only people who should be out applauding each week for the NHS staff, police, front line care workers, teachers, firemen and shop workers are those who voted "Remain" in the referendum varian? Sorry to ask for clarification but there are so many double negatives in your post that I'm not too sure if that's what you're actually saying.

I have stopped clapping, I also think it is virtue signalling.
I also read on another forum of people being shamed on face book if they did not do it.
I can understand the Doctors hating the clapping.

No more clapping for me either. I stay in for them.

Neighbour who organised the party on my street on VE is always out there though.

A doctor also said A &E was busier on a Thursday after the clapping as people are climbing up on walls and hurting themselves or some elderly people having not moved much were making the effort to come out to clap and falling as they felt dizzy.
That is really not helping the NHS.

I haven't been out to clap for the last two weeks. It began to feel insincere after the TV guide that I receive started putting "Clap for the NHS" invthe listings.

Yes minimoon I agree, it is now scheduled as part of our expected activity. I agree with varian too, how many people stand out there clapping, singing, broadcasting their actions when they voted for this cabinet and Pritti Patel who is trying to pass a bill which is, to put in bluntly, saying to nurses and carers from overseas 'You are good enough to save our lives, but not good enough to live here amongst us'. How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable? I wonder if P Patel stands outside clapping?

I can honestly say I have never clapped on a Thursday.
I know how hard the NHS are working.

So are all the others who are not sat at home getting 80% of their wage.

My husband for one who is working 6 days a week in logistics.
He has had all annual leave cancelled and has not had any bank holidays since the lockdown.

That’s right Minigrandma, all NHS staff have had all the Bank Holidays cancelled too. Next Monday my daughter and her husband are supposed to work as NHS staff, but their children won’t be able to go to school and nursery even though they are the children of key workers, and so one of them will have to use up a day of their holiday entitlement so they can look after their three young children.
That kind of treatment is why my daughter and son in law hate the clapping.

I’m not going outside clapping. They deserve a pay rise not a load of claps.

How long will the 8pm clapping go on for?

Will people still turn out on cold, wet winter nights. I don't think so, but the NHS and all other key workers will still be doing their jobs.

The best way to reward them is to do as much as we can not to catch the virus. Standing clapping when you have been socialising with others and disregarding guidelines is being hypocritical.

We had clapping for a few weeks in our street then it stopped. Good, it was getting weird and contrived. My mother and grandmother worked hard for the NHS and they would probably say fu*k you, pay me ?.

What really freaks me out is how soon Thursdays come round again; it's as if every Thursday night clapping just happened a few hours ago.

My husband worked for many years in the NHS and we have great regard for it. We have always campaigned for the NHS and been vocal in our opposition to the freezing of health workers' pay and the notion that it was fair and necessary.

However, I dislike token gestures that seem to be designed to make those participating feel good about themselves and like they are doing something useful. What really enraged me was seeing the hypocrisy of Conservative ministers and MPs- those who rejoiced when the freeze on health workers' pay was maintained - joining in this clapping. What does standing outside on a Thursday evening - clapping, shouting, whistling, banging pots and pans and setting off fireworks - actually achieve? I agree with those who say people who supported this government and its austerity programme, which had so many negative effects on our NHS and its employees, have in the past been no friends of our struggling health service.

What our health workers need now is real respect for their care, commitment and professionalism, and proper pay and conditions - something they've been asking for for several years.

I don’t clap anymore. I’ll show my appreciation by trying to ensure I don’t become a burden to the NHS.
Always amazes my how after the clap people post on fb congratulating their streets for clapping, as though they themselves have done something worth applauding.

Don’t tell us we cannot clap for all those who are fighting on the frontline just because of a small minority of idiots (there will always be some).

This is a symbol of solidarity when we feel helpless. Nurses and doctors and paramedics on our street all come out to clap.

No one has told you that you can’t clap Furret. There’s no need to take umbrage over something that hasn’t even been said.

Instead of writing on here, or clapping, spend a few minutes writing to your MP about the proposed freeze on public sector workers. The NHS workers should not be included in this. I’ve got no problem about freezing the pay of other public sector workers because everyone has to do their bit, and many private sector workers will lose their jobs, or have a pay freeze. But not NHS staff, they have carried us through this, and will continue to do so. They deserve a pay rise. You can do something about it, you can write to your MP.

It’s a form of virtue signalling you said. Pretty judgemental I’d say.