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AIBU No going back to school I’m furious.

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12rg12ja Wed 10-Jun-20 11:59:03

What is the matter with everyone why can’t children who are at very little risk of coronavirus not go back to school.
Surely it would be better for everyone those that don’t want to be in contact can self isolate. I am fortunate that my grandson is in yr 6 so has gone back but I feel desperate for all the others and those parents who can’t work with no childcare. I feel we are bringing up a generation who will be scared of everything Sorry for the rant but don’t think I’ve ever felt so strongly about anything Show me a March and I’ll be there!

growstuff Wed 10-Jun-20 18:09:19

Ellianne How is the school staffing all the extra classes without additional funding for salaries?

Some primary schools are tiny and don't have a library or a computer suite.

Headteachers can't wave a magic wand and create extra space or staff without extra resources.

Sarahmob Wed 10-Jun-20 18:22:36

Growstuff, in my school all staff (with the exception of those who are vulnerable/shielding) are teaching in school, classes that they don’t necessarily normally teach. We have reception, Y1 and keyworkers children in school. This is in addition to still managing their own classes who are doing home learning.
We have been and still are working exceptionally hard to deliver education that counts to our children and it infuriates me when I read teacher bashing from so many people.

Trisha57 Wed 10-Jun-20 18:27:40

Even if the schools have "shifts", are you expecting the teachers to sanitize all the surfaces, equipment, door handles etc between shifts?

WOODMOUSE49 Wed 10-Jun-20 18:47:00

Well said growstuff.

Weeks to get everything ready? Gov UK was updated on 4 June with guidelines for primary schools.

Imagine you are a governor or head of a primary and you have to implement all the guidelines knowing you will have no extra funding to do so.

Ellianne's school is extremely fortunate. I've worked in 6 schools and a governor of two, Some rural - two inner city schools. The rural ones library was bookshelves in the corridors. Most schools don't have a computer suite as they have banks of laptops.

The NAHT (that represents most primary headteachers) was never approached.

So Ellainne please take the time to understand why many schools have found it difficult to get their act together. The link is not too lengthy.

Chewbacca Wed 10-Jun-20 18:51:09

growstuff I completely agree with your post @ 18.09
My best friend is a teacher in a small primary school. They've spent the last week deep cleaning every area of the school, removing every soft surface that cannot be sanitized, rugs, pictures on walls, books, crayons, pens and pencils. They have one communal hall that they've been able to split into 2 very small class rooms which, at most, would allow 6 pupils in each space to taught. They'd just got it completed when the government decided on Monday that schools in this area would not, afterall, be returning. If they do split shifts for classes, it would mean that all areas would have to be deep cleaned at the end of every shift ready for the next shift of children to go in.

Who would be able to do that twice a day, every day?

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 18:55:45

I think teachers have really taken the brunt of all this.
I take my hat off to them (and I don't even wear a hat)

Wibby Wed 10-Jun-20 19:02:26

A risk no matter how small is still a risk! its not a mild illness it can kill !

growstuff Wed 10-Jun-20 19:15:21

Exactly Wibby! As I'm below pension age, I could in theory still be teaching, but I would be extremely reluctant to risk my health.

One of the primary schools my son attended only had four classrooms with no computer room or library. The hall/dining wasn't much bigger than a normal classroom. Even with only three year groups, the school would have problems splitting the children into six bubbles.

Sarahmob It makes me cross too. Today at PMQs, Johnson tried to blame the unions (and bizarrely the Labour Party) for schools not re-opening. I suspect he was relying on parents blaming teachers, but I don't think most parents are that daft. Even the BBC (Norman Somebody?) came up with more ideas, which could have been put in place months ago.

Lucca Wed 10-Jun-20 19:26:56

This has made me so cross. Posters claiming it is some left wing conspiracy to stop children getting an education. Oddly enough teachers teach because they WANT to educate.
It is quite clear that some posters have no idea of the difficulties involved. Just “Get the kids back in school and never mind the risk “
“So what if some staff die, they’re probably all lefties anyway.”

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jun-20 19:34:26

Schools should open. Those parents who don’t want their children to go in could be allowed to stay home till September. But I’d lay a £1 to a penny that peer pressure would have them back in within a week or two!

Can you imagine ‘aw mam, all me mates are in. They’re saying I’m a mummy’s boy being kept at home like this. And they’ve got stuff going on that I don’t get to join in’.


Urmstongran Wed 10-Jun-20 19:37:47

P.s. our daughter is a teacher. Key Stage One Lead. Happy to be in. Their son 7y old goes in full time next week into his school as the child of a key worker.

P.p.s. I think Boris should DROP the 2m distance malarkey. It’s not happening in Europe and they’ve not reported new cases in schools. It IS a stick for the unions to bash the government. In my humble.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 19:40:30

Maybe this wonderful, world beating track and trace should be utilised in schools first?
Monitor the children and staff, and take our lead from them?

Furret Wed 10-Jun-20 19:41:55


Callistemon Wed 10-Jun-20 19:42:02

Can you get a refund on that school uniform, MissAdventure?

Lucca Wed 10-Jun-20 19:43:59

The sole raison d’être of the teaching unions is “to bash the government” of course. Nothing to do with monitoring the well-being of their members. I despair.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Jun-20 19:45:07

No, sadly.
The school have said trainers are fine, now, too.
One pair of trousers were out of stock. Due in stock in July. So.. all a bit of a waste.

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jun-20 19:57:33

What’s IYO Furret?
I’m guessing in your ... (what?)

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jun-20 20:00:17

In your opinion, I think.
Yes, it is my opinion.
That’s what comments are, surely?

Hetty58 Wed 10-Jun-20 20:11:26

12rg12ja, why be 'furious' when the whole point of the reluctance to open schools (for all) is concern for public safety? There is nothing more important in the middle of a deadly pandemic, surely?

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jun-20 20:15:30

April 15 .... Keir Starmer wrote in the independent. Schools should reopen.

mokryna Wed 10-Jun-20 20:43:52

I can only speak for myself. I love my job but before the schools closed here 13 March, I took over a class only to find a little boy with a raging temperature. My thought was, had the parent dosed him up before dropping him off. I don’t put it passed some people, through experience. They want to be free to work. To some, because they are fit and young it is only flu. Teachers, well they are there to teach, they are not people with families. This is an air born illness no one knows.

growstuff Wed 10-Jun-20 20:49:29

Starmer and, for that matter, most people involved in education think that schools should re-open - but not unless a safe environment for staff and pupils can be provided.

Lucca Wed 10-Jun-20 20:50:24

urmstongran “. April 15 .... Keir Starmer wrote in the independent. Schools should reopen.”

So ? What has that to do with your comment about the unions?

CanadianGran Wed 10-Jun-20 21:52:04

Mokryna - on the flip side of your issue there are many parents working part time jobs with no sick benefit. If they don't go to work they do not get paid and the family sometimes has to choose between rent and food.

There is a concerted effort now to have mandatory sick pay for Canadians. I'm not sure how that could work but I know it would come at a cost (taxes).

As for teachers planning for back to school, I imagine the logistics are very challenging. At our local school district return to school is optional for the rest of this school year. The schools reached out to parents to get approximate numbers returning, and they have been able to implement a plan. My GS is in kindergarten and will return twice a week for 2 hours.

mokryna Thu 11-Jun-20 06:46:09

CanadianGran If my school was under an attack I would do my best to protect the children. I would like to think that I wouldn’t think twice about my life. Schools are up and running as half classes are alternating on different days and teachers say because of the small classes, the work load is surprisingly being done. However, thought must be given to the health of teachers as we know very few children suffer from this virus.