Anger at rule breakers.

In the Anchor -Hanover residential home where I live , some tenants are breaking rules daily ignoring 2m distancing, there is also a case of two people who live in separate flats , but have bee with each other before lockdown ignoring the 2m distance plus .
We a lounge for tenants this is out of bounds , in the end the management had to remove furniture in order to stop people going in there playing cards and drinking during lockdown .
Anchor -Hanover have done there own policy's under the Corona virus available on there website with does and don'ts the ignorant who do think they not immune to getting the virus themselves but one day some over 75 and 80 could get it .
Mick

SueDonim your words make the best sense. Anger over things you can’t control just puts your blood pressure up and can make you depressed. Wishing rule breakers would become ill is awful-and you might find it applies to your friends and family. Not a nice thing to live with.
I would however like to know if there has been a sudden spike amongst people who have visited crowded beaches, attended protests etc. Not because I wish them to be ill but because it would help us make sense of lockdown rules.

I'm with those who say it's pointless getting angry/envious of what others are or are not doing. Just concentrate on what you and your family are doing & try not to concern yourself about what's going on next door as it's none of your business what others are doing unless it directly impacts on you.

I haven't seen my4yr old grandson who lives about 90 mins drive from me. As I know he'll want to go a play indoors. J he'll want a cuddle. But as I'm a childminder if required I'm allowed to work and have someone in my house. Lucky for me the parents are lovely they are working from home and keeping their daughter with them.

Look after yourself, others can look after themselves.

It does make me mad when the government say the majority are sticking to the rules - in my world although many are many are not. At one time I too was getting so wound up about it but now my thinking is as long as me and mine are sticking to it let those idiots carry on.

Mollypussy
There are those for who now lockdown has been relaxed see this as a 'whoopee back to normal ?do as I want when I want.
The majority are sensible as yourself and in your case are now able to use this relaxation by assisting your D so she doesn't lose her job. Do not feel guilty.

couldnt agree more, the selfish way certain members of the public are behaving is so so annoying, we have been sheltered for the past12 weeks and feel the way these idiots is like a slap in the face, there are no excuses, do they just not care, its the ,, I`m all right jack mentality

Elsewhere is a thread asking how safe the "bubbles" will be, and I would say they are as safe as the people that one person in that bubble comes into contact with.

Problem is, TenaciousB, ultimately the people who break the rules aren't just putting themselves at risk, or even just their family, they are putting us all at risk by ensuring that the virus will take much longer to dissipate. They are either too stupid, or selfish, or both, to see it. I live in an apartment block and neighbours have been visiting each others' apartments for over a month. When I mentioned it by text to a couple of - I thought - more sensible neighbours, they said they weren't 'into telling tales' - which was not the point; I was expressing my annoyance as I'm shielding a partner with cancer. Since then I have stayed silent but cleansed handles, letterboxes and doors around the block with bleach and soapy water. Many people who've seen me have quipped and made comments intending to belittle my concern. I just grin and carry on. Our postwoman, however, thanked me for taking care of herself and colleagues. Some responsible, some irresponsible. That's life - and for the irresponsible, potential infection/death (plus R .9).

TenaciousB you are doing the right thing! The way you are feeling is exactly right too. I would feel as bad as you do if I was experiencing the same things. If everyone was doing the right thing, we could all feel we were in this awful situation together. As it is, many are making up their own rules to suit themselves. Sometimes it’s pure selfishness, often ignorance. I sometimes wonder how these people would feel if they discovered they were responsible for someone’s serious illness or death. Would they shrug it off or feel bad for the rest of their life?
Surely if you care about your family or friends, you’d do anything to protect them? Even if that meant acting against all your caring instincts?

I too understand why you get angry about this, but honestly, you are only distressing yourself. The people who are breaking the rules are not going to stop doing so because we are annoyed and worried.

So either we have to keep the rules ourselves and not admit rule-breakers into our homes and just try to ignore them, or we need to report them.

It is good advice not to let it get you worked up, but I'm finding it very difficult to be civil to my neighbours who appear to think the rules somehow don't apply to them, having large family gatherings for weeks when I can't travel to see my own family. I have come very close to disliking them intensely. And if lockdown is tightened because of fools like them...

I can understand your feelings. We are powerless in this situation. While some people will be going out for good reason and maybe doing essential childminding I think the vast majority are doing what feels right for them. This infuriates me as they seem to think they know better than the experts who advise us. I have followed the rules as I would like to hug my GC, visit a dentist, attend hospital etc. as soon as possible. Those people who care nothing but for their own pleasure will have a lot to answer for if another wave comes. I see today that in China after 50 days virus free they have another outbreak. I think their tracing system will be much more efficient than ours so they will stand a chance of containing it. I don't think we have that here at all and also if people who can't follow the rules now, would they quarantine if asked? I think not! As I said on another thread I will feel very differently about the folk who broke the rules when we eventually come out of this.

It's pointless getting upset. There will always be people who break/bend rules. Human nature

As for what's happening in London with the mass protests, I think we can stop worrying about our neighbour's misdemeanours.

Keep yourself safe and remember this will pass. We in Spain are nearly at our new norm whatever that might be. There are idiots out there avoid if you can or wear a mask. I’ve been wearing a mask since March (my choice) it’s now compulsory over here. Can you create your ‘bubble’ with a friend. It’s hard but with luck you’ll be at your new norm in a few weeks. I think you in uk are 10-14 days behind Spain. You’ve come so far. And your allowed your opinion as to who you want to mix with. Do it your way when your ready

You won't change others - stupidity is, sadly, an incurable disease. Don't get steamed up as it is pointless; I keep telling myself that the large majority of people are behaving and doing their upmost to stick to the rules, and the silly selfish stupid people are in the minority and will not cause that much harm. Also, the media love to inflame the situation with photos of 'crowded beaches' and 'thoughtless queueing' but many of the photos are seemingly taken from an angle to distort the truth, or are pre Covid. Breathe deeply - I have to often! - and have another glass of wine. 'This too shall pass.'

This will be controversial I know, but I feel Dominic Cummings did not harm anyone else as he was only protecting his family. Yes if push comes to shove he did break lockdown rules by leaving his home however nobody has mentioned the irresponsible reporters and cameramen outside his house, edging nearer and nearer to him and certainly NOT 2 m from each other. Nor is there any outrage at the demonstrations taking place all over the country which in my opinion should have been absolutely banned during this period of pandemic. No feelings or thoughts for the thousands indeed millions of others who have not left their house for the total period of lockdown, the thousands of carers, NHS staff, teachers and police etc who risk being infected by these idiots. Yes I am on a rant and in fact raging. Before anyone says that the murder of someone no matter of what colour or creed is an horrific act and especially by a 'trusted' member of a police force is far more important, I do not disagree on that score but the demos could and should have been postponed. This is an extremely serious pandemic with second waves in many countries so my slogan today is ALL LIVES MATTER.

@EllanVannin. Are you seriously comparing Cummings to those who went to the beaches and parks last weekend?
In England restrictions were relaxed by Boris (in my opinion to take the heat off of Cummingsgate) and those people were not breaking the rules, merely stupid.
Cummings, when thinking his wife had Covid19 and suspecting he might have too, actually returned to 10 Downing Street with no regard to the fact he might be infecting others, then he packed up his family putting his child at extremely high risk in an enclosed space with them and travelled almost the length of the country in complete defiance of the rules which he had helped set up.
The rules were that if you suspected that you had Covid19 you had to stay home, isolate from fellow members of your household and only contact the emergency services if your heath deteriorated dramatically.
By travelling to Durham to stay in his second home Cummings was flagrantly violating the rules. He added to the pressure on the Durham medical services when his son had to be rushed to hospital.
Then we have the farcical excuse that before returning to London the family had a day out to “test his eyesight”. They had a day out in complete contravention to the rules he helped formulate to celebrate his wife’s birthday.
Clearly you have decided that can all be swept under the carpet.
You may be naive or gullible but I can assure you the majority of voters are not.
Cummings should have done the decent thing and resigned. Boris has lost respect and will pay at the next election.
He will be remembered as the puppet who supported the puppet master and who was responsible for the U.K. having the worst death toll in Europe.

There is plenty of outrage at the protesters who aren't distancing.

@weeducky. As you are an apologist for Cummings my contribution above is directed at you too.

"This too shall pass" indeed, but it's not good for our mental health to suppress our anger or any emotions. E-motion is energy in motion, and the feelings need to be acknowledged before they can be let go, otherwise they will fester and erupt like a pressure cooker.

When I was distraught over the breakup of my marriage, my counsellor advised that when I woke up feeling sad and lost each morning, to say to myself "Ok, today's going to be a sad day".

On the days I did that, I found that by mid-morning I was feeling quite a bit better whereas on the days before I knew to do that, I would be feeling wretched all day.

It's only natural that we should feel angry at the behaviour of people who might make the pandemic worse, which will affect all of us, and we can handle those feelings by acknowledging them first and then finding a distraction.

You can't control other people only yourself. Do what's right for you and what you feel happy with and try to forget the rest. Same with govt's changing advice, just because Boris says you can meet up with 6 other people or whatever on a certain date it doesn't mean it's any safer to do so than it was a week before.

It is disturbing reading all these posts about people flouting the rules.

Would we be in a better position now regarding the virus if everyone had heeded the guidelines?

As many people are asymptomatic they can keep the virus going if people continue to meet up in crowds.

It is upsetting and annoying for those who are shielding or in risk groups and abiding by the rules to know this virus is being perpetuated by those who interpret rules to suit themselves.

This just keeps those groups locked down for longer.

Charles and Camilla are leaving Scotland to go back to London and meet with President Macron on June 18th!
Scotland is in lockdown and people are advised to only travel 5 miles.
I can’t go to my second house, despite being able to isolate, not having servants or meeting any French people.
One rule again?