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Mask-wearing compliance - varying demographics

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Riverwalk Fri 07-Aug-20 16:16:08

Much has been written over recent weeks about certain groups and levels of compliance regarding social-distancing, gatherings, and mask wearing. Thinking mainly of Black Lives Matter, Leicester sweat shops and Eid celebrants in the north west.

I think it dangerous to point fingers and tar everyone in certain ethnic groups with the same brush.

In the past week I've been using the Tube quite a bit and I'd say mask wearing is about 95%. Passenger numbers by the way are still very low and you usually have at least two or three seats between you and the next person.

Anyway last Saturday at about 20.00 I was on the Tube at Liverpool Street and a group of young women got on - they were two separate groups of four. I could tell from their accents and appearance that they were likely East End/Essex girls on a night out. They were identikit in appearance! All long brown legs, long blonde hair/extensions, very high heels, skin-tight clothes and false eyelashes. Giggling, yakking, taking selfies, out to have fun - I was almost envious!

What I was fascinated by was that one group were dutifully wearing face masks, that stayed on even during the selfies; the other group not a mask in sight!

So, all from the same 'tribe' but differing compliance.

Chewbacca Fri 07-Aug-20 16:38:15

Possibly similar... I've been into Aldi, Tesco and the Co Op this week and on each occassion I've seen some customers wearing no face coverings whatsoever. And all of them have been young Asian males. The shop assistant in Aldi did try to speak to him but he brushed past her saying that he "wouldn't be a minute". The younger people seem to believe that they're invincible.

Alexa Fri 07-Aug-20 16:53:44

Riverwalk, that is so interesting. Teenagers are generally very keen to belong to their social group, and are easily influenced by the leader of the group.

It is dangerous to point fingers. It is difficult not to credit subjective impressions, and I can just picture what Chewbacca observed. I suppose I could answer Chewbacca that this might have been a special time of day when young males come into shops. Maybe they were all senior schoolboys, or perhaps employees of the same local business in an area with a preponderance of Asian people.

On the other hand, my young Muslim neighbour told me she was very glad her second child was a boy, as she would be spared any more child bearing until she had a boy. There are cultural differences without a doubt.

Ellianne Fri 07-Aug-20 21:14:35

Hmmm, Riverwalk, luckily my granddaughter, an Essex girl would treat your description of her "tribe" with the disdain it deserves.
Shall we find similar descriptions for Welsh girls, Northern girls or Devon maids?

Riverwalk Sat 08-Aug-20 06:04:55

In your umbrage you seem to have misread my post - I said I could tell from their accents where they were from, and from their dress that they were on a night out.

Nothing disdainful in that.

Blinko Sat 08-Aug-20 06:09:22

There seems to be a disbelief in some quarters that Covid actually exists. I am mystified as to why some people think that whole countries worldwide would deliberately bankrupt themselves for some kind of massive hoax, but on more than one occasion I've heard/seen this point of view.

Covid deniers, very strange.

Hetty58 Sat 08-Aug-20 06:19:31

Blinko, people are remarkably good at denying, or at least, minimising, anything that's inconvenient for them.

There are plenty of flagrant rule-breakers (even on GN) who prefer to think that the rules don't apply to them.

Franbern Sat 08-Aug-20 08:10:55

Riverwalk, like Ellianne, I was a little surprised to see your description of a couple of groups of young girls which you summed up by their 'accents and appearance as Essex/East End!!!!
Essex is a large County - and like every other County has a diverse population. Like other places it has some very wealthy areas, and some very deprived. Many very high flyers who work in the Capital choose to live in that County enjoying the countryside at home whilst working in the City of London. the East End of London has undergone tremendous gentrification over past decades, effectively meaning that only those with very good incomes and job can afford to live there.
So, to use that term is rather laughable, but also slightly offensive. All my adult children and one of my g. children come under this label. And, I really do recognise ANY of them or my teenage g.daughters friends in the description of the girls you give.
Too easy to use a TV programme to generalise on tens of thousands of people from this large area - if you generalised in this way by skin colour, race, ethnicity, religion, etc you would be breaking the law.
I do understand that none of this was meant, in any way, maliciously - but to me it is similar to saying 'All Welsh people can sing, All black people have rhythm, all Scottish people are mean, all Irish people are stupid, all Jews are rich - ALL OF WHICH is blatantly silly!!!

Franbern Sat 08-Aug-20 08:11:56

'do NOT recognise any of them.....(must proof read before pressing post.

MerylStreep Sat 08-Aug-20 08:23:41

It's a good job our backs are broad here in Essex. We always come in handy when someone feels a sneer coming on ?

Ellianne Sat 08-Aug-20 08:29:32

But classifying people by their accents is equally wrong, Riverwalk. The use of the slang word "yakking", implies the girls were prattling on about nothing like hot airheads, and in this context that is demeaning. Especially when you made fun of their appearance.
What you see is what you get in Essex.
There are lots of Essex girls who went to top schools and who hold down top jobs. Many more are entrepreneurs and are proud of the county they come from and the opportunities it has given them.
I just think that if you had made the same comment about a group's ethnicity or colour you would have been in deep water, so I wasn't going to let the comment which attacked my family's dresscode or accent go.
Luckily their "tribe", as you call it, possesses the greatest attribute of all, the ability to laugh at themselves and turn it to their advantage.

Ellianne Sat 08-Aug-20 08:30:31

X post with Franbern

Alexa Sat 08-Aug-20 10:18:26

Blinko, and Hetty, that is true. People do make jokes about inconvenient truths. It is difficult to be sensible and rational about pandemic, climate change, or death without somebody else making a joke about it, or implying it's not a nice thing to talk about.

felice Sat 08-Aug-20 11:05:18

Going back to the subject of wearing masks, they are now obligatory here in shopping streets and on narrow pavements,.
I was out with DGS yesterday afternoon for a while, we never got any further than the Irish pub for Grandma time, 37 degrees at 16.30 pm.
It is on the corner of our local shopping street and looking out the window I was impressed that all the people I saw in about an hour were wearing masks.
It was very busy.
Police were about but quite casual, also wearing masks.
On another tack I paid 3€ for a 25cl plastic cup of blue slush for DGS on the way home, a new Frite van which I do not think will last long. Normal price 1.50€.

varian Mon 10-Aug-20 21:09:38

We went out this evening to an outdoor social gathering in our village. We wore masks.

About half an hour later my OH discovered he had lost one of his hearing aids. We had to retrace our steps through rough ground but by some miracle one of our lovely neighbours managed to find it, saving us a lot of expense and hassle.

Is there a type of mask which doesn't have loops over the ears?.

Riverwalk Mon 10-Aug-20 21:33:21

Yes, he needs a harness-type mask e.g.


Barmeyoldbat Mon 10-Aug-20 22:28:11

The take up of mask wearing in my area is extremely good even with young people. The only shop I go in now is Waitrose, more expensive but I do feel safe shopping. Every getting out of car puts a face mask on, the trolleys are cleaned in front of you and everyone gives each other space. When I go into the city I find it is mostly the ethnic people who are wearing masks, inside shops and outside.

Alexa Thu 13-Aug-20 23:46:43

Today I had a visit from a person from the emergency call centre as their radio was not working. These people must have to deal with mostly old people who are shielding themselves, and others in similar circumstances. The man arrived with no mask on , and did not wash his hands before he handled my stuff.
I wonder how many other such workers don't understand how to limit spread of virus.