Does this make sense to anyone?

Dear GrannyGravey 13.
The discussion here I thought was about asking the younger generation to stop going out and to save the lives of older people. I am just trying to say that the younger people are getting very fed up with giving up their livelihoods, future dreams for the welfare of the old. I am retired, I have never been on benefits. I have children, I have grandchildren. I do not think ruining the economy to save older people is going to be a way forward.

Grannynannywanny I think your last sentence hits the nail on its head.

Tempest so in your opinion fit, healthy and active 80 year olds should remain at home indefinitely. What would you like those you mention in their 60’s and 70’s to “contribute to the larger community “
Actually I’m not sure why I’m taking the time to respond to your post as I think you’re taking the p*

My daughter is manager of 2 local restaurants and is scrupulously observing all guidelines. Many older regulars have congratulated and thanked her.

However she was horrified to overhear the conversation of 4 young women, discussing a friend who had been contacted while in quarantine after her holiday.
She was then tested positive but as she felt fine and couldn't afford to miss work she carried on working and told no-one!
How can we cope with this level of selfish stupidity?

Tempest not all people over retirement age are actually retired, not all retirees get pension credits!

You seem to have a very odd view of the older generation?

Dear Grannynannywanny and Blondenana anyone in their eighties and above should just stay home. 60s and 70s as long as they are contributing something to the larger community. Being retired and expecting a state pension, pension credits, any other old age beneifts, for more years than you actually worked is not going to be sustainable in the future. Single old people living on their own in houses they cannot maintain and expecting the state to help them. I believe it will not be very long before the younger generations will start resenting the old folks.

Tempest, I beg to disagree and find your post offensive and upsetting. Are people past a certain age, regardless of level of health, working capability and still living their lives, active or not, supposed to retire into a box out of the way and cease to contribute or take part in the overall picture? Quite frankly, for many of the younger generation, without the support and contribution of their parents, they would struggle to get by.

i do understand how it seems a bit topsy turvy but what really upsets me is the fact that i. , due to my husband being in the vulnerable range, have been in lockdown for three months the i see the crowds at parties, on beaches etc, i really feel that while certain sections of the public continue to behave in a selfish manner we will never get rid of this virus so lets just stop keep blaming the government and look to yourselves to behave in an irresponsible manner

I agree about the family illusion of safety. One DD has been invited to in-laws big wedding anniversary, probably to be held in the garden and only immediate family but both she and SIL will have been involved with 60 other households at school the week before. However much she tries to point this out she is made to look as though she is making a big fuss over nothing. Non attendance will probably sour what is a very happy relationship.

Sorry to have to say this but the areas being targeted are Asian areas they don't think it means them.

Although I’ve been really really careful from the start, I’ve noticed that with the easing I haven’t been quite as vigilant once family members from one other household were allowed to visit (I’m in Wales so stricter rules). Maybe we just feel ‘safer’ with family members but it’s an illusion as they’re just as likely to pass it on as anyone else. It’s known that indoors is riskier than outdoors, so families in enclosed rooms eating or chatting, watching tv etc is going to lead to a much higher viral load than sitting socially distanced outdoors at a restaurant. Not surprising that transmissions are actually happening in people’s homes. This does not bode well for winter when we’re indoors more and windows are closed. Reading the research about airborne aerosols makes for somber reading. I’ll be making the most of the warmer weather outdoors then batten down the hatches again come the winter months .......

The system is working pretty well in our area and names and a phone number are being taken where booking isn't asked for.

I can understand why inviting friends into your own home still isn't allowed as many people don't have a room in their home where social distancing can be observed. While pubs and restaurants have gone to great lengths to make it work. If the customers don't follow the rules and nothing is said, then don't go back there.

We've been out for meals with friends a couple of times but always eaten outside and kept distanced.

Our pub you have to send a text to a mobile to check in (or staff will write details down) hands sterilised, order drinks At the first station. Move to next station to pay, drinks on the bar at third station. Floor markings inside and out for one way and SD. No standing allowed, one toilet open (portaloo in car park too) one in, one out, walk round the building and start again for subsequent drinks. Enforced by landlady and bar staff, no complying, you leave.

Went out yesterday for the first time in ages. We went for two hours booked a table no one checked us going in or out and there were queues outside for the drinks. Very normal but social distancing what’s that??

Well said Grannynannywanny i agree, why should old people retire and let these young ones carry on as they are,they are being selfish, and if they get this virus it is their own fault, and if not and they are sensible they will still have a longer life to enjoy,

Meant national not local guidelines.

Regardless of what people doing! The guidelines are STILL no more than 2 households (max 6 individuals) inside and distancing - or IF that is not possible, face covering. Outside can be 6 people but from any number of households - same distancing, or face cover if distance impossible. We should be sticking to these and encouraging other to do so. And refusing any gathering invitations that do not comply. I know it is awkward but so will being ill at Christmas.

Tempest do you have a cut off age in mind for when older people should stay home and retire and let the younger folk go out and enjoy their lives??

I’m wondering if you include front line Nhs workers still working well into their 60’s?

Think it’s all to do with keeping a distance....and we all know of families who don’t when they meet up in their own private space.

My interpretation was that same households could dine/drink out together.

Older people should stay in their bubble. Stay at home and retire. Young people should go back to living, working and enjoying this life. Go out and about and start the economy going. What is the point of ruining the lives of the young to keep the old alive? I have never understood that. In my family we have had many relatives reach the age of 104 years old. What is the point of that? It's time to look after the younger generations.

Sarahanew that’s what I have been doing, right from the start. What use is it, trying to decipher the mixed messages we have been getting for months? I live just outside Wigan, which has a very low rate of infection. Because we are included in Greater Manchester we have been ‘locked down’ too.
I take my walks, stick to my Bubble, and shop when it’s quiet. I feel perfectly safe.

Its a fine balance between having some normal life and protecting the health of the nation. In my area of London all the shops have designed some kind of one way system and most people wear masks. The pubs and cafes put a few tables outside and fortunately the weather has been good. Hairdressers wear masks. Schools will reopen next week The vulnerable are still having food delivered and telephone chats just for the company. People are doing the best they can. Cheer up folks,

It's all been contradictive and confusing all the way through and rules are not being enforced, just do what you feel is right to protect yourself

Apparently the virus is spreading more between famies than in pubs