Facing a new lockdown, extend the bubble to two adult families?

I just dont get it, I was ok at the start of all this but now i am just totally confused about everything.

the explanation by Publican is right and was explained exactly as that by the government when these new rules were bought in! I don't understand why people don't 'get' it!

trisher

I'm in the NE and in lockdown again. I know that there have to be rules but it really is extraordinary that I could go to the pub with group of friends (but will be thrown out at 10) but can't see my family in my house, even though they are all still working from home, so fairly isolated themselves, and the biggest risk are my DGCs who are in school.
Minimoon I would imagine that if it was said to be an educational meet-up there could be little objection and certainly no real legal basis for one. After all children in schools are in bubbles of 100+ so a bubble of home educators should be acceptable.

Trisher, I understand your confusion, but this is taken from my friend's Facebook page. I have no idea who "the publican" is, but the words are good, I think
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FROM A PUBLICAN
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Please tell me more about the hand sanitising stations, plastic screens, one way system and 2 meter spacing you have in your home. Tell me how you are enforcing face coverings in your living room or when you’re preparing food? Can you produce your cleaning records showing the frequency and type of cleaning for each area of your home? How often do you clean you light switches? Your toilet flush? Your door handles? Do you have training records confirming each of your family understand the difference between cleaning, sanitising and disinfecting? What steps are you taking you avoid cross contamination? Show me please an invoice detailing the specs of your cleaning products. Give me the dates Environmental Health checked your home to ensure you’ve met all standards and confirmed you are safe please.

You can’t? Because my work can and that is why we’re allowed to host 20 people and you’re not.

I’m sorry you can’t visit your mum just now. I hate it too. We’re not in the situation we’re in because you went for a cup of tea, and that’s why exceptions for childcare and work can be made. We’re here because people are having full on parties in small homes in the middle of a pandemic, to try and AVOID the restrictions keeping them safe in pubs and gyms.

This situation is HARD but maybe accept that if we’re not willing to be responsible for a little longer it’s not going away. And don’t give me it about the pubs and schools being open because if they shut them again you’ll quickly remember how you hated that so much more.

If you miss your mum, bring her here. I promise I’ll keep her safe.

And if you do break bubble rules, they'll be committing a crime and could end up losing their jobs and you could all end being infected. A conundrum indeed!

Both DD and SIL are key workers, police officers; if I don’t break bubble rules they can’t work the shifts they are required to .

If anybody's interested in reading the government's weekly "Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) surveillance report", it's here:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/919092/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_38_FINAL.pdf

As Jaibee12 and Emelle are being coy, I'd thought I'd find out for myself how infection is being spread.

According to the government, the most common ways of getting COVID are:

1 from people you live with;
2 from people visiting you;
3 Leisure (inc pubs/restaurants);
4 Visiting friends and relatives.

As meeting other households (especially indoors) makes up a substantial percentage of infectious contacts, it makes sense to ban them where possible.

Unfortunately, it's going to be difficult to monitor because so many people will find loopholes and think they can get away with breaking the rules. Hopefully, most people will act like mature adults in areas where household mixing has been banned.

Buttonjugs
Although I’d love to blame the government for saying the children must go back to school, and I’d love to agree with those who say the government only did that for the financial needs of the country, some friends and members of my family were desperate for school to start so they could go back to work to avoid losing their homes.
What would work better? What should they have said?
I find the instructions odd and they make life difficult, but so many people are doing their own version of guidelines and the virus is spreading.

Emelle

Jaibee12 - I understand what you are saying and totally agree. I live in an area with a very low infection and yet we are going in to stricter measures on Tuesday because people in neighbouring boroughs chose to ignore the more relaxed guidelines. Blackpool, however although much higher infection rates is not subject to the same measures. I have followed the guidelines rigorously but no longer trust the authorities to protect me so I will do what I think I need to protect me and mine and if that doesn't fit the guidelines -so be it!

So what does she mean? I still don't know.

Buttonjugs, a friend who teaches in primary school, told me that the little ones, especially only children, have really suffered during the lockdown because of lack of socialising with their peers.

Of course the government wants people back at work. The economy is already in deep trouble. Trying to strike a balance between safety and economic collapse must be a complete nightmare.

Correction to my post to Coco — ‘ excluded’ not ‘not excluded’

Coco They are not breaking any rules. It was said when the ‘
‘Rule of six’ was announced that households of more than six were not excluded.

another thing, why should you have to ask Gransnet to "be kind"? shouldn`t we always be "kind"?

o.k seems I am the only one not to understand the Bubble!
anyway, I think we will soon be in National type lockup again, so I can`t worry about it.

I live alone and have nominated close family in my bubble. However, if I have not seen my bubblers (or anyone else) for fourteen days minimum, I feel free to change its inhabitants. The same gap would apply, of course, should we choose to revert to the original family.

I agree with Nonnapg. A partner shouldn't be excluded in the bubbles. We still need to have some contact with family. I realise that things are going to get worse though due to irresponsible selfish people, yet those who abide by the rules end up suffering more due to them

@MiniMoon The government don’t give a toss about the mental health of children. They are back at school because it enables their parents to work. My personal view is that children going back to school has triggered the second wave as I fully expected it to. I refused to look after my granddaughters once they were back at school anticipating this. Even though I miss them terribly. I don’t see the point of the rule of six because children are spreading the virus between themselves, probably asymptotic and the going home to give it to the adults in their family.

Jaibee12 - I understand what you are saying and totally agree. I live in an area with a very low infection and yet we are going in to stricter measures on Tuesday because people in neighbouring boroughs chose to ignore the more relaxed guidelines. Blackpool, however although much higher infection rates is not subject to the same measures. I have followed the guidelines rigorously but no longer trust the authorities to protect me so I will do what I think I need to protect me and mine and if that doesn't fit the guidelines -so be it!

No bubbles as we are two, see daughter and two GC’s over the summer, one bbq, GC’s stayed one night, all distancing, but daughter works in a school, GC’s back in school. Seen son a few times in the garden, he shares a house with four others. We meet good friends in local responsible pub. No hugs with anyone. I felt this morning how disparate we’re getting, We are a small family and GC’s used to stay regularly, also a hugging family, even good friends used to get a hug. It makes me sad. But we have chosen to stay within the rules, hopefully protecting others too.

Jaibee12

The spread is down to certain groups, we all know who they are. We will be bubbling and socialising with our kids and GK’s under sensible conditions unless things become more dire in our area. The current guidelines are a joke.

Who are they? I certainly don't know.

Clearly all different for those areas with current restrictions but when easing lockdown rules, Boris was clear in saying that the relaxed rules meant that a family could see one set of grandparents one week end and the others the next. More recently by the looks of it, it’s become a bit of an “all in”.
Despite eases, it is still up to each individual person/family to be left to weigh up their own risks. I have a friend who has been locked away for nearly 7 months....without spending time with any of her family. For me, that would be unthinkable as well as un necessary but we all thankfully have different belief systems.

I think it is a good idea. If the government want people back to work then parents need child care.

I think that bubbles should be any two families and the single person rule is rather silly. I also find the Rule of 6 as is in England, equally frustrating as two of the other nations don't include children under 12 or 11. What might have been tolerable for 6 or even 12 weeks will not be so after 6 months of this. Lockdown fatigue will set in. Perhaps it's time some of the experts did some psychological modelling.

The spread is down to certain groups, we all know who they are. We will be bubbling and socialising with our kids and GK’s under sensible conditions unless things become more dire in our area. The current guidelines are a joke.

We could bubble with our single son, but as he’s in work and on public transport it doesn’t seem a good idea as I am vulnerable.

My son and his OH have seven children - so breaking the rules without seeing anyone else!