Student and Christmas

If students do travel home after they have been asked to self isolate, then the family in their household will have to self isolate as well. So there is that to consider.

Please could someone explain what the difference is between:

a) a young student, stuck in his uni accommodation, can't go out, can't meet their friends, doesn't know when they ever will, struggling to work out how to get provisions, no idea whether they'll see their families for Christmas and is thoroughly fed up and depressed

b) an elderly person, stuck in their granny flat, can't go out, can't meet their friends, doesn't know when they ever will, struggling to work out how to get provisions, no idea whether they'll see their families for Christmas and is thoroughly fed up and depressed.

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X post Barmeyoldbat and I agree with you.

It's a learning curve, trisher - a steep one but we all had them and still do.

Yes, I do feel sorry for any who are ill and hope they will look out for each other and any that need more care will receive it.

However, we were told on another thread that we were infantalising primary school children of 5 or 6 today yet we seem to be doing that with these young adults.

For goodness sake, these students are young adults finding their way in the world, taking the good with the bad. They could still have a good christmas away from their families, maybe they will pull together and enjoy a Christmas dinner of sorts, drink, and play silly games. At 18 I was living away from home, in a flat in London and didn't go home for that Christmas as it wasn't worth the travel time for 2 days at home. Instead a group of us made the best of it and I must say throughly enjoyed ourselves. I feel in part its the parents fault for raising a mollycoddled generation. Its just one Christmas

How do we suppose the mental health of the year group whose A level results were screwed up, who had to play "can I still come?" with their Unis, only to get there and find themselves locked up and learning on line, with food parcels being delivered, is doing? As far as I know no over 60s were locked in with security guards at the door.

IMHO I have to say that some of the comments and opinions I have read are harsh, unfeeling and lacking in understanding the situation that many of the 2.4 million students in the UK
are currently experiencing. The BBC have reported in detail on the extremely difficult conditions that many of the ‘locked in’ students are living with. It seems this is another example of the chaos that can arise when decisions are made without due consideration of all the issues resulting. For many of the Freshers this is their first experience of being away from home and what should be a memorable experience for them is turning into a nightmare they will not forget. Let’s stop knocking them as a group of ‘young and reckless partygoers living it up 24/7. I know just how concerned I would be as a parent if my young people were at University. Thank goodness they all graduated some 8-10 years ago. And by the way, students are responsible for their rent, board and lodging whether in Halls or in rented accommodation ‘off campus’. And give a thought to those who may contract the virus, are feeling pretty ill but not enough to be hospitalised. Who is going to care for them ? We are supposed to be ‘altogether in this’. Regrettably it does not seem to be the case.

sparklingsilver28

^Lilyflower - Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.^

At 18, university students by law adults not children!

I don't recall as much being made fuss about Shielders who were told to stay in and not leave home at all for three months in the first instance, and I doubt students were having on line discussions about how awful it was for us poor dears and how terrible that there weren't any delivery slots. But then, I was probably worrying too much about how to get milk, and it wasn't students who knocked on our door to ask if we needed food from the shops before the deliveries got sorted.

I doubt most of them gave us a passing thought, apart from our own DGC, NfkDumpling!

lilyflower they'd better start writing their letters to Father Christmas or he won't know where to deliver their presents.

At that age mine had gone off on gap years (working their way round Europe or Far East/Australia) before university and weren't home at Christmas anyway.
Unfortunately, gap years are not possible at the moment.

Lilyflower - Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.

At 18, university students by law adults not children!

I think the idea that students would not be able to go home for Christmas was started by journalists who like to stir things up for the purposes of making headlines for their newspapers or TV news bulletins. Nobody knows what the situation will be in December, but I am sure the Government would not want to keep thousands of students in their Universities unless the situation then was very serious.

The media are making all the fuss Lexi. And those students who've just realised that Covid is serious.

I don't recall as much being made fuss about Shielders who were told to stay in and not leave home at all for three months in the first instance, and I doubt students were having on line discussions about how awful it was for us poor dears and how terrible that there weren't any delivery slots. But then, I was probably worrying too much about how to get milk, and it wasn't students who knocked on our door to ask if we needed food from the shops before the deliveries got sorted.

Apart from which, Christmas is nearly three months away. Think what a difference there was in our lives and restrictions between the beginning of May and the end of July. Let's cross the Christmas bridge when it comes.

That is exactly what I was thinking of sparkling, just who is making the fuss?

Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.

1. They are not in prison
2. They are not children
3. Nobody suggested this anyway

I have children well past university age but, should the need have arisen, I would have fetched them at Christmas no matter what.

Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.

Lexisgranny - with you all the way

Evacuee children a very good example. Is it students making a fuss or parents? I do wonder what has happened to the strength of character of the nation - now bordering on weak and wimpish. Time to find some back-bone and get on with it!

The virus will not take a Christmas holiday. Please calm down.

trisher

Universities are not going to "boot out" any students. Financially they are going through tough times anyway with no foreign students this year. That's one of the reasons they are anxious to have students at Uni, should they provide only on-line education the fees could be challenged. It's not just the rent for Halls they would lose.

Sorry I misunderstood, I just wanted to point out that there were foreign students.
Moreover, the ones I know of, arrived a week before freshers week, so they were sure that they would be ready for classes. They come from the EU.

If it came to this - and as Nicola Sturgeon said, Christmas is three months away - I would encourage ALL students and their parents to break the law, and return home. This is more than one step too far!!!

After 6 months of covid crisis, I am much more concerned about what all these measures are doing to people's health (outside covid), mental health, jobs and livelyhoods, and the economy at large. It has all gone too far; there were 10000 excess death not related to corona in the last few months (people scared to go to hospital, scared to see their GP even, treatments being postponed, etc.; just look at the figures for cancer treatment referrals!).

But this bumbling, inept government is not likely to do the right thing. We need to stop this madness, shield the truly vulnerable, and give everyone else clear guidelines how to act responsibly in this situation. We will have to live with the risk of corona for a long time, and simply can't carry on like this.

Priority at moment in Scotland is still trying to get uni students home for Xmas. Virus though is going so fast all over Uk , who knows what will happen ?

Surely it would have been better to set up testing stations on each campus and made sure every student was clear before they started. A period of 2 weeds isolation would have been far better and then they could have all mixed on campus without worry. The Universities could have opened the bars, the supermarket, eateries, etc and keeping the 1st years on campus wouldn't have seen such a hardship. Obviously there was no forward planning here.

Shielding since beginning of March. HM still doing same at Sandringham - what does it tell us about safety for the vulnerable. Common sense needed!

This can be viewed from many perspectives. Some posters on here seem to see it only from the point of view of an older person. It must be considered in a way which will be best for everyone. I have no solution to offer but one point to make. During university vacations nearly all students return to their families who, in most cases, provide board and lodging. Some students will get jobs to help their parents with extra expenses. How will these students be able to afford to live away all that time? They won’t have budgeted for it and will already be in debt. I agree with those who think they should be tested and allowed to go home for Christmas.

Just the beginning, news this morning reveals, and no surprise, one university alone (from a number of others), 127 students tested positive. Herd immunity!

Good grief Nannan2, that's verging on needing reported!

Stop blaming people who don't look like "us"

Its all about the bloody money, and bloody economy, and yes we are in debt as a country,but so too are other countries.Because of covid theres more lost than ever before,but rather loss of money than loss of lives surely? And maybe they should start sueing china for this mess we are in? Also, make our universities NOT open to foreign students anymore. Who knows thats not how it was brought here in first place? A returning foreign student, back from a home visit? Spread spread spread like all the uk students do?........?