Queen channelling Trump?

Anniebach

The Queen wasn’t with the public, Trump and his team went to a rally.

So you think that entire entourage are going to self-isolate for 14 days before meeting anyone else? Do you wear a mask yourself? I am not sure whether you are defending this debacle because you are a royalist or whether you're an anti-mask sympathiser. Most of us can't think what was right about the event, for any reason from setting a bad example to concern about the risk to our dear monarch.

The Queen wasn’t with the public, Trump and his team went to a rally.

Anniebach

I assume the Queen had medical advice for her visit to Porton
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Trump had medical advice too. But because he chose not to wear a mask, his staff and associates and supporters felt they couldn't either. Some of them got a lot sicker than he did. The fact that NO ONE at the Queen's outing was wearing a mask would seem to indicate that they all felt some pressure to support her in not wearing one. (stop eating when the queen has finished eating, don't wear a mask unless the queen is wearing one) and so on. As I have said before, the Queen is a special case and I'd have accepted her not wearing one provided most of the other people were wearing them!

I assume the Queen had medical advice for her visit to Porton
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Erm, being an oldie like many, do you think she should have been out and about unnecessarily anyway, like many have been ?? --said with tongue in cheek seeing as quite a few have had breaks of sorts.

Is this what we can now expect ? Do as I say not as I do ?
Hypocritical ?

I normally support the Queen but do think it was wrong for people not to wear masks at this event. If there is a reason she cannot wear a mask, William and the other people there should have been wearing one.
I read that the Queen has returned to public engagements to show the public she is still there and life is carrying on as normal but, if she is breaking the rules we are expected to follow, it just makes things worse.
There is no reason for her to be carrying out public engagements during the pandemic. Everyone else is advised to work from home if possible and she should be included in this. The rest of the Royals can do the public events.

aggie

I thought that clip of ER was outside with a gazebo for the weather protection ?

This question came up when a covid law expert was on LBC. The answer turned out that any space with a roof on, including a gazebo, is to be dealt with as if indoors.

Ready and her advice/ chosen behaviour re Andrew leaves much to be desired.

Oops

‘They are advised not to wear seat belts in case they need to leap out if a Princess Anne moment arises or something similar’

Simply not true at all. And I doubt HM and PP could leap out of anything .

Set a very poor example in my opinion.

Maddyone you raise a very good point. DH and I were discussing this the other day. What on earth would happen if PP or the Queen died now? How on earth would their passing and funerals be dealt with? I have no desire to find out the answer. I'm not a royalist but I don't wish them I'll. It's just a very interesting thought.

I don't understand how the Queen was given such wrong advice by her PR advisor.

I thought that clip of ER was outside with a gazebo for the weather protection ?

Anniebach

The last Prince Regent was so because his father the King had
a mental illness, is age alone a reason to hand over ?

I don't think it would be age alone. In my opinion the Queen has accepted some poor advice, or allowed herself to be overruled in the past few months. 1) Signing off on illegal proroguing of parliament. 2) Allowing her staff to forbid her to meet Harry when he wanted to warn her about his move. 3) Having a totally maskless event which was a very important one as being her first outing, which also happened to be at a time when the public were most sensitive to the issue. 1 was definitely Boris, and 3 probably was. He's getting a bit desperate about Brexit and can see we need to suck up to Trump now. However I don't think Charles or William would have simply passively done as they were told. The monarch is supposed to be our final line of defence against government silliness.

A bit off subject, Suziewoozie but I have to defend the queen’s decision not to abdicate. She is a very devout Christian and made that promise before God. She would not leave her job just to suit people who think she is too old. I am sure that there are times when she would like nothing better than hand the reins to Charles and take a well-earned rest but, that promise is sacred to her. That is far from being selfish.

As for the masks, that is a different matter. I think she was ill-advised if only because it is a bad example to her subjects.

The last Prince Regent was so because his father the King had
a mental illness, is age alone a reason to hand over ?

God help us if the queen abdicates and Charles becomes king. Maybe her maj realises this. Why should she abdicate anyway? I thought we were against ageism on Gransnet!

Of course at this particular time the country doesn’t need an abdication and it certainly doesn’t need a Coronation. However after the queen’s father died, her coronation was about a year later, so no problem there. An abdication at this time though would be very unsettling for the country, but as Framilode suggested, the Queen could retire and Prince Charles could be made Prince Regent. I really think she should, and I’m afraid that I regard her as stubbornly sticking to her role when she should, in my opinion, give up the small amount of power she does have, and let Charles get on with it. If the Queen lives as long as her mother, we have another 7/8 years of this, and by then Charles will be in his eighties. The Queen’s retirement would avoid this, and allow her to live with her husband, as she has been doing since lockdown anyway, and Charles would get on with the job he has been prepared for all his life. However it’s obvious that the Queen has no intention of doing this, which personally I regard as stubborn and selfish. As is not wearing a mask, with the consequence that William couldn’t wear wear one either, as royal protocol dictates that that the family follow the example of the Queen. (Interestingly, without wishing at all to make this thread about Meghan, that was one of the points about Meghan, that she refused to follow royal protocol, so for example, she refused on occasion to wear a hat when the Queen was wearing one, and the queen prefers all royal ladies to wear tights/stockings, and Meghan frequently didn’t.) I think some of these protocols will disappear with Charles as King.

Whatever, the last thing the country needs is either the Queen or Philip to die at this time. This would create huge problems as normally they would have a state funeral.

Agree Oopsminty

They are advised not to wear seat belts in case they need to leap out if a Princess Anne moment arises or something similar.

As for the masks it didn't cross my mind that they weren't wearing masks.

I have no idea why we appear to be wanting to be shown how to behave by the Queen and MPs etc etc

It's all rather odd

And we all follow her ? If she had worn a mask yesterday
everyone would be wearing a mask today .

How come everyone doesn’t attend church every Sunday

Both her and PP have been photographed not wearing seat belts - and it’s about setting an example regardless of whether it’s the actual law eg public/private road. It’s not asking much is it, to show us respect for health and safety ?

What were the other missed opportunities?

I stand corrected, thank you. Another missed opportunity for ER to set a good example. Health and safety required my DD to wear her hat when she was mucking out.

Parsley3

HM doesn't wear a riding hat which is compulsory for everyone else so not wearing a mask is another privilege that she can claim. I am surprised that there us support for this. We need to get grip.

It’s not compulsory for adults to wear riding helmets on public highways, children under 14 have to. Obviously makes sense to do so.
I don’t imagine the Queen goes out riding on a public road.