Second national lockdown declared in France

We are so lucky here in the UK for all the problems with our NHS that people did receive the treatment they needed for Coronavirus. This time I hope we can manage to keep our other services going too. People with cancer shouldn’t have to wait.

Does anyone know if they have Nightingale type hospitals in France?
Last time round I heard they were sending patients from Paris to Rennes with doctors and nurses on trains!!

I'm very upset about the health of my close friend in France who has been diagnosed with bowel cancer and needs an operation. Which has been delayed for months because of this cursed virus. She's in a lot of discomfort/pain.
We used to see eachother nearly every daywhen we lived there, walking dogs, shopping etc for many years.
France's health system had a good reputation, but can't cope with these new pressures.

soldiersailor
“I live in France and having to complete a form each time we went out was indeed a pain. But we had a simple solution: fill in the form in ink but with the relevant date/time, etc in pencil then rub it out and use it again. No ink problems, saves a few trees and takes no time at all.”
I thought they collected all those forms each time and filed them away. I’m sure our police couldn’t be bothered with all that filing. Bureaucracy at its best!

'..grim in France' - my typing doesn't improve.

Jaxjacky does that make you as cross as it makes me? Who are these people under the impression they are cheating? Only themselves and whoever they might infect! Things look pretty gri in France, and I gather there are riots in Italy and demonstrations from those who are refusing to accept lockdown. What a mess!

Lockdown not necessary ...here's why.
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soldiersailor

I live in France and having to complete a form each time we went out was indeed a pain. But we had a simple solution: fill in the form in ink but with the relevant date/time, etc in pencil then rub it out and use it again. No ink problems, saves a few trees and takes no time at all.

Sounds like a plan - until you are stopped and have to show your form. Entries in pencil can easily be changed to allow anyone to stay out or away from home for any time to suit themselves! This was carefully explained to a friend who did just that, by the Gendarmes. Only permanent pens are acceptable, apparently. Best use the app on your 'phone to produce if averse to form filling, wasting printer ink and trees!

To be honest I wish here inSweden we would have a lock down, cant see it happening now.

And I’ve already seen three fb posts to ‘party’ tonight before lockdown, from bars, not private residences

Also, if the horses are part of her work/livelihood then that should be covered under the category for travail anyway.

soldiersailor

I live in France and having to complete a form each time we went out was indeed a pain. But we had a simple solution: fill in the form in ink but with the relevant date/time, etc in pencil then rub it out and use it again. No ink problems, saves a few trees and takes no time at all.

Exactly what I did except I used a roller pen. It’s really not a problem, neither is the mask. I have just finished market buying meat and vegetables to freeze for the next week. Personally I think it is a good idea for infants to wear masks, they have to when their parents shop in the mall, where they have no problems. It will help to protect the teachers as a lot of children, (and adults) do not cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze.
People are allowed to go for walks with their pets, so feeding the horses shouldn’t be either, just maybe have a paper to say you own them.

A lockdown doesn't necessarily mean filling in forms. We didn't have to do so in Denmark in the spring, nor were there restrictions on how much outdoor exercise we might take, as long as we took it alone and kept two metres away from anyone we met.

I don't think the Germans are filling in forms, either, it is much more a French and Italian way of controlling a lockdown.

Agree MissA it’s quite worrying that France is back in that predicament after the earlier strict lockdown. Same in other European countries where mask wearing, inside and outside, has been the norm.

Not yet active for for ordinary attestation, since lockdown has not yet begun. But I see you can already register a need to attend to animals during curfew. Expect there will be a similar clause for general purposes after midnight tonight.
I cannot understand why anyone would ever have had to apply to the Mairie for a dispensation every time they went to attend to animals last time, even, although it did not work smoothly until it became available on the phone.
France has had more experience now. I'm sure it will be just fine.

We won’t be far behind

There's a photo of Corbyn today wearing his face mask beneath his nose. Sigh.

I think the big difference this time is that schools are staying open. Children over 6 will have to wear masks. The problem in some secondary schools is that the canteen facilities are not adequate so I don't know how that will work either. They are in school for a very long day here.
We have just been to our tea shop to stock up and town was very busy. Coming home, it felt strange to think that it would be our last trip out together in the car for some time.
The one thing you do feel here is that the rules are very clear.

All those people who said that Germany had got it right and had prevented Covid-19 spreading, may wish to retract their criticism of our government. I wouldn’t want the job of anybody in charge at the moment.

I've seen some that absolutely are useless.

They're worn hanging off one ear, tucked neatly underneath the nose, or only put on if asked.

With the way Covid is spiralling out of control again, it does make you wonder if as first thought, that face masks are pretty useless.

I agree with others that the police in this country did not enforce the lockdown, or now, the rules. I’m not talking about the guidelines, I’m talking about the legally enforceable rules. The problem is, I think, that the police are afraid of criticism, and it makes them unwilling to act. The police are not there to be our friends, they are there to enforce the law.

I live in France and having to complete a form each time we went out was indeed a pain. But we had a simple solution: fill in the form in ink but with the relevant date/time, etc in pencil then rub it out and use it again. No ink problems, saves a few trees and takes no time at all.

Lucca I think police enforcement here has been very ineffective. It's almost as if they didn't care. Just a few tickings off, don't do it again. Where are the fines? It needs to be dealt with at ground level.
I have been stopped (for speeding) in France and remember quaking in my shoes as the armed policeman wrote out the instant fine. No argument.
Our police force may be over stretched, but it is also too woosy.

Thank you MawB2 for your kind wishes.
In our very quiet corner of southwest France we are pretty safe but everyone seems to follow the rules. Feel terribly sorry For all the small businesses who did such a good job to keep us safe.