Daughter moving in

Yes I'm puzzled by the need for DD to move in. Can't she just leave the toddler with you as usual?

We've had to have tradesmen call for emergency plumbing etc.
I answer the door with a mask on and then the plumber says "do you want me to wear mine" Well yes!!! ofcourse and I offer them the sanitiser

Fromian why does your daughter need yo move in with you to "protect her mental health"?

In an interview, Nicola Sturgeon explained that the rules are intended to reduce the interactions that people have with each other - thus reducing the risk of infection.

It sounds as if the risks here would be the same either way, unless there's something you're not telling us.

Fromian

We don’t want to break the rules. We’ve invited our married daughter and our two year old granddaughter, with whom we are in a childcare bubble, to move in with us for the duration of lock-down 2. She would then become part of our household. Can we do this? Reading the latest regulations she would then be able to create a support bubble with her working husband visiting him at their house and staying over there at weekends. Am I right?

See section 12
www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#national-restrictions-from-5-novembe

It's not allowed. Sorry

Fromian, I can see the logic of what you’re suggesting, but if you go ahead you will be converting two households, each comprising two people (plus one child), into a three-person (plus child) household, and a separate single-person household, in order to manipulate the rules, and that seems questionable.

Fromian, I'm sorry but your daughter and her family are each other's support. Unless they are separated they are one unit and you are another.

It would be really convenient for many of us to reinterpret the rules to suit us. Lots of us have family we normally support. We will have to do this by phone, by zoom, whatsapp, post or whatever. It is four weeks (fingers crossed) not forever.

None of us want to do it but most of us will.

So frustrating when many people stick to the rules and others always think they are a special case. In this example, the daughter has a husband and are a family unit. I don’t understand why the daughter and child would need to move in with parents. Most people are in the same situation.

I rather enjoyed the What would Dominic Cummings do approach to difficulties like this.
The answer of course, is he would do exactly what he wanted to and justify it under the "child welfare" category. He's a sleaze, a maverick and not someone we should ever use as a role model, save as guidance that if Dominic would do it, we certainly shouldn't.

No not allowed, but you’re obviously going to do it anyway. So frustrating!

Fromian, the logic of your argument would only work (to a degree) if every single one of you had absolutely no contact with other people - highly unlikely.

The virus is highly contagious and often transmitted before somebody has symptoms (if they have any at all). By the time it's apparent, it's too late to protect others. Sorry, but physical safety and wellbeing is of higher importance than mental health - it just has to be.

NotTooOld

Esspee

In situations like this I always like to consider. “What would Dominic Cummings do?”

Err - I'm pretty sure this post was tongue-in-cheek. Made me laugh, anyway! Thanks Esspee.

For some reason my soh is in short supply at the moment. DFC and that whole disgusting saga doesn’t make me laugh at all.

Esspee

In situations like this I always like to consider. “What would Dominic Cummings do?”

Err - I'm pretty sure this post was tongue-in-cheek. Made me laugh, anyway! Thanks Esspee.

Fromian

That is not a good reason.

That's reality for so many families

I can appreciate what you're saying, Fromian; it doesn't seem as if the risk will increase with the arrangement, but I don't agree with people adjusting the rules to their wants.
I'm sure nobodies mental health is great at the minute.

I hope you all stay safe though.

No Fromian not allowed, you put the question up even though you may not like the response. I despair.

MissAdventure - he drives to work on his own and daughter would walk to his house - she takes her daughter for a walk every day. There is absolutely no increase in the risk of other catching Covid from us by this arrangement.

Hetty58 - see above

Hi there - because he’s at work

LovelyCuppe - is it a shame to want to support our daughter’s and granddaughter’s mental health ?

I suppose there is an outside chance it could result in an extra two cases of Covid, if the worse came to the worse, and daughter did bring Covid back to you unknowingly. That wouldn't be protecting the NHS would?

It's a no no. These rules have been thought out.

What a shame you feel the need to behave like this.

Why cant her husband support his wife and daughter?

Fromian, no, it's not OK - and yes, you'd be breaking the rules!

It seems to me that the proposed arrangement is totally unnecessary. Why do so many people put themselves, and countless others, at risk by bending/breaking the rules? No wonder there seems no end in sight for this deadly pandemic.

How does your son in law get to the garden he works in?
How will your daughter get to and from her home to yours?

We are supposed to be striving to reduce risks, not looking for loopholes to justify taking extra ones.

If we were just allowed to do our own risk assessments, instead of facing unenforceable rules, the world would be a happier place.

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Hmm, I don’t think that would work very well!

It was, @Esspee!

I would say go for it, for the sake of your mental health. If your daughter is living with you from the start of lockdown, then you are one household, not a bubble. One household can form a support bubble with one single person for the purposes of companionship, and stay over.

If we were just allowed to do our own risk assessments, instead of facing unenforceable rules, then the world would be a much happier place.

Esspee Well I thought it was very witty!