End of the lockdown.

AnnieFrance, you do know you can be more environmentaly friendly and download the 'attestation' on your telephone (smartphone) even have all your details filled in and then just put in the hour and bobsyouruncle, takes about 1 minute or less.
I was 'controlled' this morning leaving my very little town and think it is a very unnecessary /wastefull/humiliating
work by local police!

Theoddbird

If people had done as they were told in the last lockdown we probably wouldn't be in this situation now. People should not moan...everyone is responsible.

Lockdowns don't work. You have just said it yourself.

M0nica

Cornwall: 403 cases in the past week. Up 106 from previous week

Official government statistics.

Number of "cases" does not mean number of people ill and has very little relationship to hospilisation and deaths. If we stopped testing we would realise that the virus has become endemic just like flu and the common cold and doesn't kill any more people than the diseases we've lived with for centuries.

The so called Spanish flu 1918-1920, disappeared after two years. Just saying.

You still can't travel from one state to another
Paperback Yes you can, except W.Australia.
That's why at midnight on the weekend just gone they were lined up like a Formula 1 race at the border.
It's called the "New Normal"!
OoRoo

We’ll be living with this for years the way we’re going. It’s all the half measures. We either need to be completely locked down, so no exceptions, and that just wouldn’t work. Or we return to normal, and take our chances. People die. It’s a fact of life. We can’t save everybody. I might go. My husband might. We’ve resigned ourselves to that. I think Bluebelle’s dog will always be lurking in the side wings. How long would we have to wait before he dies of starvation?

Lockdowns wont work, I agree with Bluebelle.
Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi will tell you why they won't work. As he says, "Why do you believe everything you are told, why don't you sit down and read and think a bit. If you did that you would very quickly realise something fishy was going on."
Professor Bhakdi is a Thai-German specialist in microbiology and co-author of Corona, False Alarm?: Facts and Figures.
Interview- www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&feature=youtu.be
He will tell you why vaccine is dangerous in great detail.

19:49GrandmaKT

A bit disheartened seeing the demonstrations in Liverpool and Bristol today. Whether people agree with the lockdown or not could they not just give it a go for 4 weeks in the hope that it's effective?

You are a bit disheartened! I am truly disgusted with this. I am from Liverpool. With the mass testing being started in my city we could have held ourselves up as a beacon. But no a load of yobs and fools showed us up in a truly disgusting light.

Casdon

I agree with Rufus, lockdown does work, of course it does - it’s unpalatable to many but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. The same people on here are trotting out the same flawed arguments but the evidence is clear. My sister’s in Perth WA and still living the dream, she’s posting pics of them doing normal things just to keep the rest of the family going whilst all around us idiots flout the guidance in the U.K.

Western Australia had pretty strict rules for quite a while and people were compliant as, if they weren't, there'd be someone round to fine them unlike here. If you had to isolate there were checks. You still can't travel from one state to another and Australia is severely limiting the numbers coming in. I think they've handled it really well (info from friend in Fremantle, via Zoom chat). Here? Well I live by the Thames and there were crowds down here all weekend!

I know Bluebell.....I do wonder.... if we hide away, the virus will only sit and wait for us to come out. It just wont tootle off and disappear. It has more staying power than that sadly!

The truth is, whether we like it or not the virus is going to be around for a very long time, like most other viruses in the past...we learned to live with them. It is inevitable we MUST end this ridiculous system of lockdown after lockdown ...it clearly does not work, and all it does is ruin the whole of the UK from the economy to health ...mental health problems are soaring, hardly anyone with a long term illness or waiting for a routine operation is being treated. The Nightingale hospitals are virtually empty .....quarantining people in small flats with no outside space is madness ...children are suffering, the ederly are suffering...young people without jobs are suffering ...people with no work and mortgages to pay are suffering .............everybody is suffering and for what ? we will all die, it is inevitable .....I could go out today and get knocked over by a bus...my funeral plan is paid, letters written to cancel services, etc and my solicitor holds my LPA in case I am not killed but injured .....she also has my request form for DNAR ......now I WANT to travel if I have any time left ........and that in my opinion is not being selfish ...........

I fully agree with Blubelle
Lockdowns appear to work as the infection rate decreases but the minute you try and get back to even a semblance of normality the R rate rockets. The only way other than possibly a vaccine we would beat this is to all literally shut up shop for the next 5-10 years which would not really be workable. Personally I don’t see a bright future looming any time soon

How compliant are the people in Melbourne to the rules
Tweedle24 Extremely! The thought of a $1,200 fine for being caught not wearing a facemask when out in the street puts the wind up people more than Covid 19.

Some more good news from "Down Under", while I'm here!
The first passenger flight from Auckland to Melbourne since lockdown began, touched down at Tullamarine airport today: now a daily service again.
It was heartwarming to see on TV News this evening many family re-unions after they had been separated for months.
Well in time for Christmas, fortunately.
Unfortunately Adelaide in South Australia is now on alert with an unexpected spike in new cases, so, ironically it might become a case of us keeping them out instead of the reverse when we were in trouble.
I don't think any of us are going to let our guard down just yet!
Good Health
OoRoo

Lockdowns are necessary if only to keep the NHS from going under. We will have to have restrictions kept in place when this lockdown ends.
I don't however think the tier system is fair. We went into tier 2 in London with high numbers of cases in north and west London but low numbers where I am. I have family who were in tier 1 with higher case numbers. I think it should all be nationwide, including Scotland and Wales. This would make it easier to understand and possibly make people more likely to follow the rules.

If people had stayed home in the first wave this lot may have been over by now.

How could it be, when some people had to continue working and could not distance at work?
The disease would always start spreading again, as soon as lockdown stopped.

Here in N.Ireland we have the circuit breaker and it has made no difference to positive cases & deaths. Our hospitals had all over capacity at the weekend. People out, as shops all open, just pubs and restaurants closed. Talk is all will open up again for December and I think it's madness. Works Xmas parties, etc will happen and come end December I don't know what on earth will happen in the hospitals then. The idiots need to think this is not just about Covid, it's cancer patients, people with heart conditions,etc that are being affected just so they can go out and get hammered, some probably ending up in A& E getting their stomachs pumped!

Lockdowns don't make the virus disappear.

They are designed to keep social interaction between people to a minimum so that the NHS can cope with the workload. They are a blunt tool but virtually the only tool until we have an effective vaccine.

The Tier system is simply a variation on lockdown in an attempt to keep the economy running.

The reason areas with low infection rates are locked down is surely to minimize travel between areas. Otherwise, wouldn't Covidiots be tempted to travel to non locked down areas, thereby spreading the virus?

Hope seems to be on the horizon sometime next year...

I am sure one of the most effective rules of lockdown is that which is enforced in France. Here we have to fill in paperwork each time we go out giving name, address, dob, reason for leaving home and time leaving.

These have to be printed on a clean sheet of paper and filled in in ink or downloaded each time on an app. Failure to have this and stopped by the Gendarme is a fine, starting at €135 for first offence.

The faffing about and threat of a fine I feel makes people stop and think before they go out. Even though the Gendarmes are not often seen out and about far less stopping people!

I agree with Rufus, lockdown does work, of course it does - it’s unpalatable to many but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. The same people on here are trotting out the same flawed arguments but the evidence is clear. My sister’s in Perth WA and still living the dream, she’s posting pics of them doing normal things just to keep the rest of the family going whilst all around us idiots flout the guidance in the U.K.

I am not holding my breath that this will end soon. Vaccine is not yet available and even when it is , this government, who couldn't organise a raffle, will take many months to get the general population vaccinated. And deciding who should get it first and who will be waiting till we have all had Covid before we get vaccinated. I may be dead by that time , or it won't matter anyway. Sorry to be cynical.

Apologies I should have said 3 covid cases in hospital.

BlueBelle

Lockdowns don’t work it’s like successfully hiding from a big snarling dog and then after hours you quietly venture out and it grabs you

Brilliant description. Virus does not go away during Lockdowns, however strict. Will be there when everybody comes back out.
I do resent the attitude that tries to treat us rather like naughty children - ;If you do not do as you are told absolutely, then you will have on-going punishment'. Worse, than that is that it so divisive - we, the victims are to blame!! Can see that working on posts here. Everyone else is to blame.
Lockdowns only help to flatten the curve and thereby help hospitals, etc.

On the whole countries like most of northern Europe, Australia and New Zeeland that went into lockdown early have and have had fewer cases.

Sweden, Britain and America went into lockdown late, or not at all and have many cases.

So why do you think lockdown doesn't work?

Given time, a virus may mutate and become less dangerous, but it could of course become more dangerous. It might even disappear to all intents and purposes.

I don't see any evidence of face masks helping keep infections down either. In fact they are inclined to give a false sense of security.

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