Not included in DS/DIL & GS Christmas bubble

LauraNorder

Family fun

I like it!

I haven't read all through these posts because, personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about for just one day. Why can't people be sensible and celebrate together another time. I'm looking forward to Easter as our Christmas is cancelled

Our doctor regularly posts updates on the local village facebook group and he recommends supplementing with vitamin D especially in the winter when we don't get the sun on our skin to make it. I supplement all year round as I suffer from the heat so try to stay out of the sun in hot weather. Vitamin D levels have been found to be low in many people who have been hospitalised with covid so definitely worth taking a daily supplement!

BazingaGranny

I am very sorry that you are upset about Christmas, but I think that you behaved very ill-advisedly last year, when you visited your family twice with a cold, within a short period of tine, despite knowing that surgery was planned.

I developed adult onset asthma after a serious dose of double pneumonia 5 years ago, and the respiratory consultant, a professor, advised me to try to keep away in future from anyone with a cold or a chest infection. If you had come to my house with a cold, I would have gone out, or at the very least gone upstairs until you had left, and so couldn’t cough or sneeze over me!

Before asthma, I would have thought this was a huge over reaction, but the ghastliness of not being able to breathe at times has made me very cautious. The professor said when I told her that my grandchildren have endless colds that it was because school and nursery staff didn’t put enough emphasis on washing hands, and she was right! And yes I do see them frequently but no, not in their very infectious stages.

You said you went twice with the same cold, and are surprised that they now don’t trust you not to take another infection into their house. I think you have a lot of making up to do, with less blaming others for your actions, and (if you are a real poster, and others have suggested that you may not be) I think you could perhaps take a long look at yourself and your quite self centred point of view.

I do very much hope you will have a good Christmas, with many joyful and lovely times with your family in the future but I think you need to be more realistic in your view of what is happening and why. Sorry, this sounds VERY tough, but colds and other URTIs can be so problematic to so many people. ? ? ?

"Asthma" drew my attention. I've been an asthmatic for about 50 years.I was also prone to colds - caught everything that was going .During the autumn/winter of 2018, no sooner had I recovered from one cold than I caught another. I live in a rural area and don't go into crowded places so I blame the French and their kissy kissy habits.I try to avoid this particular habit.

But I digress. In January 2019 an old friend recommended Vitamin D which I started to take regularly and I haven't had a cold since. Also my asthma is a bit better - I'm not using my Ventolin quite so much. ( I am someone whose asthma is severe and have a nebulizer at home)

I've also read that Vitamin D is being recommended as a protection against covid.

Laura

Thank you for your kind words. XxX

Thank you for your kind words ?

Family fun

that’s why I said in my experience. I realise many are lucky to have not seen this.

Summerlove, that is also why I said in my experience too. Im not sure that it is that I have been lucky. More that in my case I have observed such behaviours in people from a range of generations that are made up of individuals with different personalities and character traits. I have not observed particular traits common to only one generation!

Well I certainly hope this isn’t a genuine post because it’s very entitled. We have our children for a short time until they are adults and then, the clues in the name, they make their own way into the world. We don’t have rights to them or their children. Any access is gifted at their discretion. Christmas is one day and frankly it’s only natural for women to be generally closer to their own mums and families than their other halves. Unfortunately that’s just reality. Express warmth, delight and interest in any interactions and invitations with them and grandchildren and they’ll know you’re supportive and interested in them.
Lastly it’s about recognising that they, like you, have the rights to make their own choices on how they live their lives and frankly you haven’t been very supportive of that fact. You’ve jepordised the health (possibly even life) of your grandson by visiting not once but twice with a cold thus delaying vital surgery and frankly I’d be furious at your selfishness for doing so if I was the parents! Whilst you’re entitled to go shopping every weekend, your increased potential exposure to Covid is obviously against their own wishes and choices for their family, which I can understand having had their child ill enough to require surgery, and it’s saddening that you can’t understand this too. Unfortunately your inability to empathise their situation and selfish attitude for believing that only your wishes are paramount will ultimately lead to you being less and less involved with them and leave you wondering what you’ve possibly done. Think on!

Ourkid1,

If we follow past patterns, they could have caught covid from anywhere but the OP and she didnt on purpose,all she wanted to see her gd and son for xmas.

Son and dil are smart on their decision

Dear PestyOne, you sound kind and thoughtful, and I’m so sorry about your son, and also sorry that you have lost your parents.

Your decisions sound very sensible, but do please think about spending Christmas with you friends - I’ve been on both ends of the spending time with friends, and now that I’m part of a couple, as I was VERY late in marrying, we often have friends over, and we love it.

Speak soon, Carol ??

Who knows. I suspect quite a few of the threads on GN are "seeds" planted by journalists to get a controversy to write about, but that doesn't make it invalid. We might as well use it as an opportunity to share the wide range of opinions we all hold.

Grannylancs - just imagine they changed their minds, invited you (and your mum who is on her own), one of you (your mum maybe or the baby?) was infected with Covid and needed intensive care. How would you feel then?

Yes, I know the same could happen with their current arrangements, but still ... food for thought maybe?

Madgran77

*In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.*

Also not the case in my experience

that’s why I said in my experience. I realise many are lucky to have not seen this.

GagaJo

I don't think it's real either.

* Out for coffee and shopping weekly.
* Went to visit a newborn, health compromised baby with a cold.
*Wants a family that isolates to include them, while they refuse to isolate.
* Despite all the above risk taking, doesn't want a vaccine despite all the testing that's being done.

Basically, wants to do whatever they want with no concessions and is upset when a vulnerable family take protective measures.

Rings very true to me!

Maybe my friends and I all had horrible family members when we had young children!

Exactly FarNorth. I think its time to wind up this thread as well, can't really be any more to say.

Older generations are just people who have got older.
They have the same range of personalities as everyone else.

In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.

Also not the case in my experience

Nobody of our sort of age could act in such a spoilt and demanding way surely ?

Hmmm! I'm afraid that is not the case

Whether it's real or not, I am shocked at the judgemental attitudes and vitriol of so many people and notice one post has been removed. I think some people go too far, which is not helpful. If the poster is real, I hope they will focus on the wisdom of the more understanding pieces of advice. Makes me wonder whether I want to stay on this site any more.

I don't think it's real either.

* Out for coffee and shopping weekly.
* Went to visit a newborn, health compromised baby with a cold.
*Wants a family that isolates to include them, while they refuse to isolate.
* Despite all the above risk taking, doesn't want a vaccine despite all the testing that's being done.

Basically, wants to do whatever they want with no concessions and is upset when a vulnerable family take protective measures.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Lucca

Might be time to stop this thread? I personally don’t believe it’s a genuine one. Nobody of our sort of age could act in such a spoilt and demanding way surely ?

Oh sweet naive lucca.
I know many more people like this than I’d like.

In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.

The younger people had to learn it from someone!

Singlegram you say you dare not complain - don't think of complaining, then.
If looking after your grandchild is getting too much for you, then say so without complaining.
Do you invite your son and family to visit at other times, as they spend Xmas etc with his wife's family?

You say you can relate to grannylancs's post. Perhaps some of the advice given to her could be useful to you too.