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Time to admit this virus affects some more than others.

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maddyone Fri 27-Nov-20 15:19:32

Whilst all the above is true, the biggest indicator is age.

MayBee70 Fri 27-Nov-20 15:18:31

We were speaking to someone last night about infection rates in our area and it turns out it’s mainly in the old mining towns where unemployment is still high.

suziewoozie Fri 27-Nov-20 15:11:47

Antonia

I don't think it's quite as simple as looking at inequalities, although I agree that this needs to be done. The virus attacks some people more severely than others, and the reasons are not completely understood yet. Some people in their forties have died, even with no underlying health issues, and some have long Covid. I don't think diabetes (especially type 1) and auto immune diseases are more prevalent in some ethnic groups. They happen in all groups of society.
It's true that poor living and working conditions favour the spread of the virus, and these ought to be a priority for the government to tackle. I doubt if they will be though.
'We're all in it together' means that it falls on all of us to do what we can to get the virus under control.

But many health conditions are related to inequalities and there is also an enormous body of research that shows access to and use of health services is related to socio economic status for a whole variety of reasons. On simple example is time off work for a medical appointment or treatment. It doesn’t matter what your ‘rights’ are if you’re in a precarious poorly paid job. All in it together is I think a very anodyne meaningless cliche when set against the reality of exactly what ‘it’ is we are all in together.

allium Fri 27-Nov-20 15:00:43

I think you make a very good point Trisher.

EllanVannin Fri 27-Nov-20 14:59:52

If all people could afford the best food there'd be far fewer ills and a better resistance against serious illness.

EllanVannin Fri 27-Nov-20 14:53:37

I've always banged on about the inequality in this country, it's appalling.

Antonia Fri 27-Nov-20 14:45:21

I don't think it's quite as simple as looking at inequalities, although I agree that this needs to be done. The virus attacks some people more severely than others, and the reasons are not completely understood yet. Some people in their forties have died, even with no underlying health issues, and some have long Covid. I don't think diabetes (especially type 1) and auto immune diseases are more prevalent in some ethnic groups. They happen in all groups of society.
It's true that poor living and working conditions favour the spread of the virus, and these ought to be a priority for the government to tackle. I doubt if they will be though.
'We're all in it together' means that it falls on all of us to do what we can to get the virus under control.

suziewoozie Fri 27-Nov-20 14:37:46

Yes trisher exactly. What Covid has exposed and exacerbated - not caused- is the deep, pre-existing fault lines of inequality and deprivation that run deep throughout our society. I’m not arrogant enough to think that ‘I’m in it together ‘ with the redundant workers relying on a food bank whilst waiting for UC and living in overcrowded homes with no outside space.

trisher Fri 27-Nov-20 14:29:55

Exactly suziewoozie. I was talking about this to someone who is a governor in schools in a severely deprived area, the number of times chldren are being sent home is much higher in her schools than in better areas. As she said parents workng in low pay jobs, overcrowding, poor diet all sorts of factors which mean the virus is spread more and causes more damage.

Smileless2012 Fri 27-Nov-20 14:28:01

I agree suziewoozie but as we have seen, there are those who have refused to follow the rules and continue to do so which has nothing to do with socioeconomic differences.

suziewoozie Fri 27-Nov-20 14:13:22

The thing is it’s much easier for some people to follow the rules than for others - and that’s not just about attitude but about for example, the physical environment you live in - space, garden etc. Also your physical work environment, is your workplace Covid compliant, can you wfh. Can you afford to self isolate? Many of these are deeply rooted in socioeconomic differences.

Anniebach Fri 27-Nov-20 14:11:53

Agree Smileless

Alegrias2 Fri 27-Nov-20 14:11:21

trisher we may disagree about some things but I firmly agree with you here. I heard somebody say on the radio, We're all in the same storm together but some of us have better boats. Summed it up for me.

Nanof3 Fri 27-Nov-20 14:10:30

Folk with Obesity, Diabetes, Auto immune conditions etc make them more vulnerable, unfortunately these are more common in some ethnic groups.

biba70 Fri 27-Nov-20 14:02:31

Totally agree.

Smileless2012 Fri 27-Nov-20 13:59:58

I don't think the "we are all in this together" rhetoric means that the inequalities in society are being overlooked or deliberately ignored.

For me, it's a reminder that we all need to stick to the guidelines which from the very beginning some have not been prepared to do.

GagaJo Fri 27-Nov-20 13:59:38

Couldn't agree more trisher. It's a very unequal world we live in.

trisher Fri 27-Nov-20 13:41:21

Current government attitudes on Covid present as"we are all in this together" but in fact there are huge inequalities in the figures, for all sorts of things, including deaths and long term health problems. Black people, men and women from poorer backgrounds suffer most www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/inequalities-and-deaths-involving-covid-19
Isn't it time we admitted this is partly a result of a policy of not supporting the poor and we committed to stamping out inequality?