Vaccinations from next week

MayBee70

Wouldn’t it have just been better all round if the Medicines Agency and all the scientists had been able to just stay in London? It was pretty much baked in that leaving the EU would result in the medicines agency moving to mainland Europe straight away. We were told that by a group of scientists who were members of the Conservative Party.

I'm not sure that's really relevant. The MHRA, which always existed alongside the EMA, has done a good job. Matt
Hancock lied about Brexit being a factor in the UK's approval of the vaccine. We did exactly what we always could have done and, in any case, the regulatory framework of the EU is still in place until 31 December.

He and some other Conservative MPs cynically attempted to turn a day of celebration into a political football. Maybe it was an attempt to distract from the fact that the long-held promise to prioritise care home residents wouldn't be kept. They all must have known about the logistics problems before today.

Alegrias2

trisher

Alegrias2 Why do my posts bother you? Have I posted anything which is untrue or which isn't backed up by evidence? Don't you think knowledge matters?
It isn't pessimistic to look at all the factors involved and it's certainly not pessimistic to warn about the measures which will need to remain in place even after people are vaccinated. Or to wonder how successful a mass vaccination will be with so many unknowns. You may choose to walk into a situation without knowledge if you wish but some of us prefer to investigate and use our brains.

What bothers me is the effect your continual doubts have in people who may be nervous about vaccines. Every little thing adds to the concern, even when they are not relevant. For instance the polio vaccine, which has been around for decades. You have cast doubt on the amazing scientific advances this vaccine represents and you have undermined the work that is going on to plan and execute a vaccination program that will save countless lives and allow us to start getting back to normal.

As for knowledge and not using my brain? Well I'll take solace from the fact that I'm the one with the PhD in a science subject and 20 years experience as a technical project manager. Don't preach to me about knowledge and investigation, you really have no idea.

What a patronising post!

Nobody needs a PhD to understand what happened today - just open eyes and a reasonable brain.

Frankly, I find your attitude disappointing.

Avalon, I am critically, clinicly vulnerable and have beeen shielding since March.
I had my flu vaccination in a football stadium, because my GP said it was safer than the GP surgery. It was very safe and well organised.

The Scottish Deputy Chief Medical Officer said today, that GP surgeries will be unable to store the vaccine at the temp required and vaccinations where possible, will be done in hospitals.

Wouldn’t it have just been better all round if the Medicines Agency and all the scientists had been able to just stay in London? It was pretty much baked in that leaving the EU would result in the medicines agency moving to mainland Europe straight away. We were told that by a group of scientists who were members of the Conservative Party.

MawBe

7sx2k
I'll wait and see what happens when we hear/see others who have been vaccinated first.
biba70
that is what people in the EU are doing ;)

I base my comments on remarks like these - the wink included.

They can also wait and see what happens to those who catch Covid in the meantime, especially the older and more vulnerable folk. A day or two observing in an ICU might be educational.

I have also read your posts Urms on the (dare I say it?!!) Brexit thread.

Boris has played a blinder, hasn’t he?

I feel as excited tonight as I did on the night of the General Election last December when it became apparent that Boris was on course for a landslide victory.

Urms ?

I try my best JenniferEccles ?

Plus,
Pfizer and BioNTech are seeking emergency approval for their vaccine from the European regulator, saying it could be launched in the EU this month. Moderna also said it would ask the European Medicines Agency to recommend conditional approval for its shot.

The EMA said it would complete its review for Pfizer’s vaccine by Dec 29 at the latest, and Moderna’s by Jan 12.

Despite some negative (and the odd completely barmy) comments on here I am optimistic that the vaccine take up will be very high.

I suspect most of us will end up with the Oxford vaccine as it’s cheaper, easier to transport and store and we have pre-ordered, I think, one hundred million doses.

I loved the EU story Urmstongran !

7sx2k
I'll wait and see what happens when we hear/see others who have been vaccinated first.
biba70
that is what people in the EU are doing ;)

I base my comments on remarks like these - the wink included.

The day I am vaccinated I will probably shed a tear of relief.Being able to fly and see my DD and GC and my dear Mother and actually be able to hug them will be a wonderful day to look forward too.And it is in sight hopefully.

26mosid1910

As far as I know this vaccine needs to be kept in fridges that hospitals have but not doctors surgeries. The Oxford vaccine
which has not been approved yet can be used in non hospital settings. So don't get too excited it could be a while yet.

Erm sorry that's not true actually.
"The vaccine can be transported in dry ice filled containers Once the packages are delivered, receivers can store them in ultra-low temperature freezers for up to 6 months, inside a refrigeration unit for up to 5 days, or they can refill the box with new dry ice for up to 15 days of storage."
I am quite sure every GP surgery will have a fridge. Surely all care homes have a medical grade fridge for keeping other drugs in e.g. Insulin etc.

Mawbe, I am not a 'nay sayer' - it is not me, but Matt Hancock and Nadine Dories- who have politicised this news in a shameful manner - saying Brexit is what made this possible.

Personally, we have accepted that we won't be seeing grandchildren until Easter, and will be taking up the vaccine here as soon as it is offered.

trisher

Of course some scientists have been working with the best intentions but to ignore the huge profits Pfizer sees in this vaccine is just stupid. Pfizer has done some very dodgy research and hidden side effects of drugs in the past. It is very difficult to find a complete list of all the money they have had to pay out over the years because there are so many actions. But there are details here labourheartlands.com/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-pfizer-and-can-we-trust-them-with-a-vaccine/
No one should go blindly into this experiment and what really surprises me is that anyone should think it is better that they don't know about things.

So what is the answer Trisher please ??

We agree on this Lemongrove !! I am so sick of selfish selfish people saying they’ll wait and see what happens.

What is it they think will happen? (In brief I mean. I’m not ploughing through a great long cut and paste blurb off Facebook. )

Of course some scientists have been working with the best intentions but to ignore the huge profits Pfizer sees in this vaccine is just stupid. Pfizer has done some very dodgy research and hidden side effects of drugs in the past. It is very difficult to find a complete list of all the money they have had to pay out over the years because there are so many actions. But there are details here labourheartlands.com/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-pfizer-and-can-we-trust-them-with-a-vaccine/
No one should go blindly into this experiment and what really surprises me is that anyone should think it is better that they don't know about things.

Its fantastic news, I'm longing to safely hug my father in a care home again, longing to see my sons go off to work safely, longing to see my grandchildren grow up as safely as possible and longing to see my husband off to work in the mornings so I can get some peace!!

Apparently the answer as to why the EU is unable to approve a vaccine?

The EU's problem is that they were so impatient to relocate the EMA that they forgot that all the scientists would relocate to the MHRA in another building in Canary Wharf.

Meanwhile the EU tried to break the lease of their HQ in Canary Wharf. They lost that in the High Court and the EU is now paying for two buildings. The ineptitude of not having the scientists to authorise the vaccine and paying for two buildings is something that only the EU could manage

Lucca

Just caught a bit on tv news. Explanation that vaccine is safe, tested on 44,000 people. Minimal numbers reported very short lived minor effects such as a fever or headache. Why has it been so quick ? Because usually those who produce it have to persuade drug companies to take it, not the case this time. Plus scientists have created their desks to work on it.etc etc. So please can people stop this “I’ll wait and see ‘ attitude , it’s a while since anything riled me as much as that does !!

Well said Lucca
I have heard it compared to driving through city with all the traffic lights at green in your favour.
The development of a vaccine has been under way ever since China released the DNA. back early in the year and the research has been prioritised like never before.
I share your “rile” !

trisher

Alegrias2 Why do my posts bother you? Have I posted anything which is untrue or which isn't backed up by evidence? Don't you think knowledge matters?
It isn't pessimistic to look at all the factors involved and it's certainly not pessimistic to warn about the measures which will need to remain in place even after people are vaccinated. Or to wonder how successful a mass vaccination will be with so many unknowns. You may choose to walk into a situation without knowledge if you wish but some of us prefer to investigate and use our brains.

What bothers me is the effect your continual doubts have in people who may be nervous about vaccines. Every little thing adds to the concern, even when they are not relevant. For instance the polio vaccine, which has been around for decades. You have cast doubt on the amazing scientific advances this vaccine represents and you have undermined the work that is going on to plan and execute a vaccination program that will save countless lives and allow us to start getting back to normal.

As for knowledge and not using my brain? Well I'll take solace from the fact that I'm the one with the PhD in a science subject and 20 years experience as a technical project manager. Don't preach to me about knowledge and investigation, you really have no idea.

Great post Whatdayisit ??

trisher you are underestimating us if you think we haven’t thought this through, don’t understand the challenges ahead or have less knowledge than you, that is really patronising.

Allow us our day of celebration, it was very clear that this post was specifically for that purpose.

Because Casdon* some people think it will be an event that will enable them to discard all the precautions we have lived under, and it won't, they will remain in place. They have to remain in place.

biba70

7sx2k

I'll wait and see what happens when we hear/see others who have been vaccinated first.

that is what people in the EU are doing ;)

And in the meantime while you are “waiting and seeing” you will presumably be prepared to self-isolate or run the risk of catching it.

The nay-sayers on this thread and elsewhere really take the biscuit,
Moaning about not seeing their grandchildren for Christmas or at all, whingeing about being lonely and isolated, missing theatres, restaurants and pubs seeing huge swathes of the population losing their jobs, witnessing the death of high street shops and businesses we have known all our lives , losing family members even - and then, there’s a vaccine!
Oh but I won’t risk it, it’s a government conspiracy, it has been produced too quickly, there might be side effects , it’s not safe (are you all epidemiologists too?)
OK you have a choice. But frankly you shouldn’t have. Polio and smallpox were only eradicated by a consistent vaccination programme - in countries where vaccination was not allowed or subverted, polio risks rearing its head again.
Honestly.

Why today do the doubters feel they must rain on the parade when it was so clear the post was to celebrate?