NHS staff NOT first in the queue for vaccine

My mistake in using the word children.
I was thinking of vulnerable young adults rather than under 16s.

I shudder to think about you conduct studies to test the vaccine out on children.

* how you conduct

oops

The flu vaccine was trialled on children and children aged 2+ are routinely offered it via a nasal spray.

Ellianne

I shudder to think about you conduct studies to test the vaccine out on children.

How would polio/diphtheria/mumps/measles/chickenpox etc vaccines have been tested in their development I wonder?

Polio vaccine trials:
www.historyofvaccines.org/content/massive-polio-vaccine-trial-begins-us

I don't know why we don't routinely vaccinate children against chickenpox in this country - as well as preventing it would it not help to prevent the misery of shingles in later life?

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It's ok. That must have been frightening.
DD1 had a reaction to the measles vaccine but they thought it could be due to an egg allergy.
There was a scare with the whooping cough vaccination too so we decided not to let her have it; she caught whooping cough and was very poorly.

Callistemon

I don't know why we don't routinely vaccinate children against chickenpox in this country - as well as preventing it would it not help to prevent the misery of shingles in later life?

No, it wouldn’t. They’ve found that more people then get it as adults, when it’s a much more serious illness, and that people also develop shingles more often.

Second section here. www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine-questions-answers/

I opted (with DH’s agreement) not to have the older two girls vaccinated against whooping cough in the 70’s because of a family history of allergy and reaction especially in connection with eggs.
Sure enough they got whooping cough, one after the other and were really quite poorly. I had three months of sleepless nights.
When DD3 was born, she got every jab going!

Thanks SueDonim. Children do routinely have the chickenpox vaccine in Australia.

I was pregnant with DC2 and had months of sleepless nights with DD1, poor little thing. Mr C was away working and missed it all.

I worked in registration of births, marriages and deaths. Mainly for family history requests and research.

The amount of children that died of measles and complications in the 60s was frightening.

I know a young man who was left disabled after contracting measles from an unvaccinated child who'd come to tea at their home

He was only 9 months at the time and too young for MMR

He ended up on a life support with post-measles encephalitis. He was terribly poorly.

He's now 27 and will never be able to live alone . Brain damage, partial blindness and deafness.

So I always get worried when I hear about children not being vaccinated

Our experiences shape our opinions.

I think that’s how the issue was identified, Callistemon, by looking at those countries that had implemented it and noting the problems that arose. My sister-in-law had CP as an adult and she was so incredibly ill with it, whereas her two young DD’s sailed through it. My brother meanwhile, has never had CP, even though all we siblings had it, and then he was in the midst of his own plague-infested family! They should bottle his blood and give that out!

Callistemon

My mistake in using the word children.
I was thinking of vulnerable young adults rather than under 16s.

They will be Priority 6.

That is terrifying Lucretzia and one of the sad consequences of no-vaxxers in the community
A propos of absolutely nothing I seem to be resistant to the Rubella vaccine. After each of my 4 pregnancies I was tested and admonished for apparently failing to be vaccinated and so after each one I was duly jabbed. .
When DD3 was three , she and I went to visit a local nursery I had in mind for her which had had a case of German Measles among the children.
Guess who went down with it? Yes, me.
TG I wasn’t pregnant as I might easily have been and that I had had no contact with it during any of my pregnancies.

You can read about EU protocols for clinical trials and children here:

ec.europa.eu/health//sites/health/files/files/paediatrics/docs/paeds_ethics_consultation20060929_en.pdf

Oh yes, MawBe

Thank goodness that all was well

Rubella can be catastrophic for pregnant women in the first trimester

For some reasons the vaccines don't work on a small section of society.

This article explains that 3% of people who have had MMR can still contract it.

Which is why we need as many people as possible to be vaccinated.

www.livescience.com/65242-measles-vaccine-protection.html

MawBe The Rubella vaccine is no longer given on its own, so I couldn't find out how effective it is. Apparently, the Rubella element of the MMR jab is 97% effective, so you must be one of the 3%.

Snap Lucretzia.

EllianneThat was my comment nanaK54 and I'm so sorry if it upset you. That was not my intention and all my elderly relatives have worth to me too, like one uncle who was a gp and his brother who was a church minister.

I'd stop digging if I were you ,this looks as if ONLY GP's and Ministers and people of a certain professional status are WORTHY in your books.If your uncles had been lorry driver or a bus conductor would they have been worth less?

Ellianne

Scary stuff.
It terrifies me personally because DGS came out in black bruises all over after a vaccination, was rushed to A & E and investigated by the Royal London for Leukaemia or a blood disorder. All put down to the vaccine. DD won't entertain the idea of vaccinations now.
It's hard to remove those images from the mind when vaccines and children are mentioned in the same sentence.
Sorry.

In about 1 in every 24,000 doses of vaccine, a skin rash of small, bruise-like spots develops up to six weeks after vaccination (called idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, or ITP). This can also occur after measles or rubella infection, and is more common as a result of the diseases than as a result of the vaccine.

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/mmr-vaccine

"Bruising" is a symptom of rubella.

Decisions on immunization should be prioritized by need until enough vaccine is available to all. By definition healthcare providers on the front lines (intensive care units, emergency rooms, ambulance personnel) are truly at huge risk. They rely on their expertise and PPE to keep safe. If we don’t protect them, we have failed to recognize their sacrifices. After they are immunized, then we can move onward. Knowing the cacophony of pans being beaten on to show support or vaccine protection, which would you choose?

In about 1 in every 24,000 doses of vaccine, a skin rash of small, bruise-like spots develops up to six weeks after vaccination (called idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, or ITP). This can also occur after measles or rubella infection, and is more common as a result of the diseases than as a result of the vaccine.
Crikey growstuff I have to hand it to you, you should be a doctor! ITP that's exactly it and so rare some doctors haven't met it. The problem is it stops the child doing PE at school and neither can they travel by air incase they have a brain bleed.

And I'd stop nit picking if I were you paddyanne. I apologised profusely and the poster said thank you. If you really want to know why the occupations of my elderly uncles were uppermost in my mind then I suggest you read the title of this thread.
Oh and I do have a relative who is a cleaner.