Vaccine and Women of Child Bearing years.

I think NannyC2 should be very careful about spreading anti-vaxx propaganda and what she repeats.
According to BBC News, Facebook and other social media platforms are banning “fake news” and will be taking down false claims to prevent “imminent physical harm” including claims about vaccine ingredients, safety, effectiveness and side-effects.

I would suggest Dr Yeadon may have a personal grudge with Pfizer.

Pfizer had a huge research and drug manufacturing campus just outside Sandwich. So big that the thought that they would ever close it down and leave the area, was unthinkable, but they did think and it did close, with the loss of over 2,000 jobs. This coincides with when Dr Yeadon left Pfizer, I do not know whether the Pfizer redundancy package was generous or not, but I was made redundant into early retirement when my then employer had to massively downsize. We had a very generous redundancy scheme, but never the less some senior managers in particular were very bitter about leaving. One of my managers had to be marched off the premises by security staff with his personal belongings in a black plastic bag and was put on compulsory sick leave because he just wouldn't go.

Exactly M0nica!

I have spent the last hour reading a special issue of the New Scientist (20/11/20) called 'Vaccinating the World' and one thing is clear the vaccines now being developed fall into four broad vaccine categories, all very different from each other. There are 1)protein subunit vaccines, 2)mRNA vaccines,3) Non-replicating viral vaccines and 4)Inactivated vaccines. All very different in the way they have been developed and how they work. Which categories of vaccines do these concerns relate to?

Pregnant and lactating women are always put in a separate category when the introduction of new drugs or vaccines is happening. Nothing remarkable that the vaccine manufacturers are following standard procedures.

Dr Yeadon left Pfizer almost 10 years ago, long before COVID and he will be way behind the curve in having any insight into what is happening at Pfizer.

Several of the fact checking agencies (Politfact and APnews) have labelled his claims about the pandemic as 'false'.

As for Woldarg, his claims have been largely contradicted by the verifiable facts; and his statements have been proved to be misleading.

These two sound like Andrew Wakefields in the making.

Ha ha! That's interesting Alegrias. I haven't had time to chase this up!

That's Dr Yeadon who has said the pandemic was over in the summer and we didn't need restrictions any more, and Dr Wodarg who said the restrictions were just "hype" based on selective perceptions of researchers and who has been suspended from the board of Transparency International, an NGO combatting global corruption?

Maybe its just me, but I don't think they are trustworthy in these matters.....

Oh, here it is:
2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf

Filed by the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.

This is info I found relating to NannyC’s post:
2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

It is not the full application as I’m busy today and haven’t had time to find it.

Who made this application? What are their qualifications for making this application and what data did they submit to support their application.

DH was part of Phase 3 for the Oxford vaccine and I know others. Neither he nor any of the others have experienced ny side effects that caused concern to the recipients or the research team.

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is there any evidence that any vaccine has ever affected sperm production or quality?

Why should it.

Should we worry about the effect the vaccine might have on the environment? Does it affect soils or wildlife? is it linked to the current outbreak of bird flu?

For heavens sake. There is nothing special about the COVID vaccination that makes it uniquely different from any other vaccine.Even the speed of its development is not unique. Why, do people who cheered when they heard that a vaccination against Ebola was developed in under a year get so suspicious when the COVID vaccination was developed in a similar period of time.

This vaccination is just a vaccination, get over it and have it and stop straining at gnats while swallowing elephants.

Do these women make babies on their own then? How is this vaccine going to impact on sperm in years to come.

* Grannylaine*
It goes on to say that women who may be pregnant who are being invited for vaccination should be able to access additional advice.

It also says that if
a woman finds out she is pregnant after she has started a course of vaccine, she should complete her pregnancy before finishing the recommended schedule.

And that high risk women and health care workers should be offered vaccine as soon as possible after pregnancy.

Termination of pregnancy following inadvertent immunisation should not be recommended.

Surveillance of inadvertent administration in pregnancy is being conducted for the UK by the PHE Immunisation Department, to whom such cases should be reported

These are the women which they will learn from. These vaccinated "early" pregnancies. The info I read said they would follow these women up for 2 years.

Current Government Advice (from the Green Book):

Pregnancy and Breastfeeding

There is no known risk associated with giving inactivated, recombinant viral or bacterial vaccines or toxoids during pregnancy or whilst breast-feeding (Kroger A et al., 2013). Since inactivated vaccines cannot replicate, they cannot cause infection in either the mother or the fetus. Although AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine contains a live adenovirus vector, this virus is not replicating so will not cause infection in the mother or the fetus. As with most pharmaceutical products, specific clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccine in pregnancy have not been carried out.
Although the available data do not indicate any safety concern or harm to pregnancy, there is insufficient evidence to recommend routine use of COVID-19 vaccines during pregnancy. The Pfizer BioNTech vaccine is formulated in lipid nanoparticles, and although studies with other mRNA liposome vaccines in non-pregnant animals do not suggest any problem is likely (Bahl K et al (2017), Liang F et al (2017), animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. Whilst testing of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine in pregnant animals is undertaken, the MHRA has put forward a very precautionary approach. In addition to not vaccinating in pregnancy, MHRA advise that pregnancy should be avoided until 2 months after the second dose of vaccine. They also have advised vaccination should not be given whilst breastfeeding. MHRA have not advised performing a pregnancy test prior to offering vaccination.
JCVI recognises that the MHRA’s advice is based on the absence of evidence in pregnancy, and not on the presence of evidence to implicate toxicity in pregnancy. To appropriately reflect this stance, JCVI have advised that routine questioning about last menstrual period and/or pregnancy testing is not required before offering the vaccine. JCVI have agreed that those

Let's face it, the age-group of women who are pregnant or contemplating pregnancy is not going to reach the head of the queue for some time. Those of them who have serious medical conditions are going to need individual advice depending on their own circumstances.

Apologies M0nica I didn't realise the OP was trying to mislead and dupe us into discussion here. I was commenting about peoples' responses to any tragedy or disaster, and how the mind can run away with worry, particularly when one is pregnant.
Just to make it clear I am not an anti vaccer.

It's no wonder bygone tragedies spring to mind sometimes.
Ellianne not when they are utterly irrelevant to the concern considered, if not down right misleading.

It's not about whether it's safer grandtante it's about whether it's safe enough to administer.
They are still collecting data and intend to follow up for two years apparently.

How about considering the risks of contracting Covid19 while pregnant or breast feeding?

The vaccine may well be safer than that!

If you are pregnant or contemplating pregnancy then the obvious thing to do is to take medical advice and to be cautious.
When my DD started a 5 year drug trial for Psoriatic Arthritis she and SIL were told firmly “No babies” and that if they wanted to consider having a baby, a 4 month wash out period was necessary before conception.
Hard when you are 30, newly married and ultimately hoping for a family.
7 years later they had their longed for little boy.
The vaccine will not at present be offered to pregnant women and any girl contemplating pregnancy would be advised not to have it at the moment, but there’s a lot more “of child-bearing age”.
NHS professionals, Care workers etc will have a decision to take and I hope the correct medical advice will guide and inform them.

I have some empathy with Dawn and her comments. The wellbeing of the unborn child is a timeless and universal worry, especially if you are the mother carrying it. Some people have a butterfly mind and concerns and anxieties run wild. It's no wonder bygone tragedies spring to mind sometimes.

Well said M0nica - honestly Dawn there are enough things to worry about these days without looking for extra unconnected risk
. “Child bearing years” is a heck of a long time - teens to forties - that would rule out a massive swathe of the population.

The thalidomide tragedy happened about 50 years ago, had nothing to do with vaccinations and the testing procedures it went through before release would be considered grossly inadequate by modern standards.

Quoting thalidomide when worrying about this vaccination is as ridiculous as worrying whether sugar is safe to eat because in the 19th century it use to be 'extended' by adding white lead and other poisonous chemicals. to it

I am not saying that some thought needs to be given to giving the vaccination in some groups, but if comparisons are to be made they should be current and relevant.

Did you know that lead was added to cosmetics in the 18th century? I will never buy another item of cosmetics again!

The other posters are right. Pregnant women are not going to receive the vaccine.

I was wondering about this too. All 4 of my daughters/ daughter in laws are either pregnant or planning babies in the next year or so. None are keen on being vaccinated.