Who is the first person on GN to get vaccinated?

Thank you. It was the yoghurt analogy (NOT) that got me thinking.

I rather fancy the idea of an alcoholic yoghurt as a suggested preservative!

oh, lets all hold fire while WWM asks her daughter!! What??

for goodness sake!

I think they should publicise the "no thimerosal" so as to reassure those who are concerned about the effects of that (although there don't seem to be any bad effects proved for thimerosal)

Alegrias2

My guess is that it doesn't need a preservative because of the -70 deg storage, like growstuff says. Also it will have been prepared in a sterile environment so doesn't need to have anything in it to prevent bacterial growth.

This is quite good: www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/09/1013538/what-are-the-ingredients-of-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/

It says specifically that there is no preservative, and it explains what all the other ingredients are for as well.

I found something that explained that the mRNA was unstable at room temperature, in light and when moved, and will start to break down if exposed to too much of any of this.

Would be interesting to hear what your daughter says WWM

I’ll ask her. But what about other vaccines?

Pap67

Due mine in a few days. I work in healthcare. I’m exited to receive it.

Looks like Pap67 might win the prize!

My guess is that it doesn't need a preservative because of the -70 deg storage, like growstuff says. Also it will have been prepared in a sterile environment so doesn't need to have anything in it to prevent bacterial growth.

This is quite good: www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/09/1013538/what-are-the-ingredients-of-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/

It says specifically that there is no preservative, and it explains what all the other ingredients are for as well.

I found something that explained that the mRNA was unstable at room temperature, in light and when moved, and will start to break down if exposed to too much of any of this.

Would be interesting to hear what your daughter says WWM

When will I be vaccinated?
The order in which people will be offered the vaccine is based on advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI).

The NHS will let you know when it's your turn to have the vaccine. It is important NOT to contact the NHS for a vaccination before then.

Further information on why you may need to wait for the vaccine (pdf, 348 KB).

Vaccine safety
The vaccine approved for use in the UK was developed by Pfizer/BioNTech.

It has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

So far, thousands of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Find out more about regulatory approval of the vaccine.

Ooops! I meant the vaccine is in dry ice. I wouldn't like to be injected with dry ice!!

My guess is that the vaccine is dry ice, which is CO2 in its solid form. I doubt if bacteria can survive at -70 (or whatever it is).

My FIL has a date for his 23 dec

Ellianne

What is used to preserve the vaccine in its little jar and to stop it growing fungus?
I remember JVT saying something along the lines of it isn't like a yogurt that you could take out of the fridge multiple times.
So what ingredient stops it getting bacterial contamination?

I could ask my daughter, but at a guess would it be some sort of alcohol?

What is used to preserve the vaccine in its little jar and to stop it growing fungus?
I remember JVT saying something along the lines of it isn't like a yogurt that you could take out of the fridge multiple times.
So what ingredient stops it getting bacterial contamination?

Yes, I'd like to hear exactly what the harm is that the vaccine will do? Which ingredient (of what is in there, not what you have heard is in a different vaccine) How do you think the vaccine works? How do you think your immune system works? (A clue - it helps your body how to deal with specific potential attackers - the CoVid virus is a potential attacker, which the immune system can't defend you against until it has met it and sussed out what will defeat it)

Jane10

Mimi22 Alegrias knows very well what she is talking about when it comes to vaccines and scare stories going around.

Thank you Jane10

In what way is the vaccine a toxin? Do you actually know how it works?

Mimi22

felice, I am saddened to hear that you are nervous. I wonder what it is that you are actually worried about. The fear has been ramped up to such a degree that logical thinking is over powered. Everyone is doing what makes the most sense to them at the time. It only becomes an issue when you want someone else to do/think what you want/believe in. I believe that the vaccination will do far more harm than good and simply cannot understand why anyone in their right mind would voluntarily stand in line to be injected. Seems like the majority here have the opposing view and can't wait. In means nothing other then we think differently. I have no wish to have others think what I think, or for me to think like them. It's a non-issue and life goes on. If you take away whatever it is that other parents are doing/not doing in the playground is there anything else that leaves you feeling anxious at pick-up?

Where's your evidence that the vaccine (or any of the others) will do more harm than good? What kind of harm do you believe it's going to do?

Mimi22 Alegrias knows very well what she is talking about when it comes to vaccines and scare stories going around.

My stepdaughter is a consultant aneathsatist in charge of intensive care in a hospital in East London. She spoke to her father last night and said that more people are being admitted with covid and that deaths are rising, despite what Mimi22 says. She is waiting for her vaccination which hopefully will arrive soon.

Curious about Brandy Vaughan, Alegrias2 - or doesn't it fit your narrative?

Due mine in a few days. I work in healthcare. I’m exited to receive it.

Another vote for Zoe here.

If any succinct Covid information is wanted, the Zoe site is the place to go. Really interesting stuff.

Why not also join the nearly 4.5 million people in the UK who are participating in the Zoe tracking Covid programme. It takes a few seconds a day and you would be contributing to helping to stop Covid.

I don't have the relevant Zoe address but type in 'Zoe Covid Symptom Study and you'll find it.
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When will we have the first vaccinated GN-er!

I watched a webinar this afternoon organised by Zoe and the Covid-19 study App. There were 5 top scientists, vaccine specialists etc on the panel. It was really worth watching. It's on you tube if anyone wants to watch. I'll see if I can post the link here in a minute. After watching it I understand the safety procedure much better and feel sure it's safe. There were no bad reactions in any of the tens of thousands of volunteers and they tested it on all ethnicities, ages as well as people with allergies too.
Here's the link:
www.youtube.com/channel/UCa09am-cOsC-FSgr_nLkFFA/

Also would suggest downloading the Zoe Covid-19 App if you have a smart phone. I've been reporting since early April every day - only takes a minute - which has helped hugely in the information on the virus already. The government also access the information to see where the virus is spreading or contracting.

I would love to be the first, but as I live in the States there’s not much chance of that happening! Britain always leads the way. Well done.

It would be treated by the NHS, same as any side effect. No one takes accountability for side effects. The argument for treatment would always be stronger than to not treat a person because of side effects. You can’t predict this, so there is no accountability. That’s why, in part, this country gives everyone an option. So it is our own risk. But with a safety net.

This is no different to being prescribed drugs which give nasty side effects. My breast cancer drugs caused me to become hypothyroid and to develop osteoporosis - lifelong conditions, not a brief period of allergy.

That is disgraceful WWM2 hopefully when these countries have vaccinated their population they will donate vaccines to the poorest countries.

Unfortunately none of the vaccines are available to buy by private individuals, whatever their motives.