Anyone fed up with people not following the rules

poshpaws

@TwoWolves

Yes, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, and I religiously wear a mask - as it has been PROVEN that doing so slows down the spread of the virus, which can be transmitted in microscopic particles in your breath, when you sneeze or cough or talk too closely to another person. I'm not worried about you getting the virus, that's your choice, but I AM worried about you carrying it and passing it on to some other person by selfishly refusing to wear a mask. My beloved husband died of Covid-19: it was not a pretty way to die and I deeply resent and despise people like you who accuse mask wearers of being gullible. You may not want to believe the science but the facts are incontrovertible.

Poshpaws. I could not have put it better. I also volunteered for the vaccine trial, despite being a determined mask wearer, but, was not called.
I think Twowolves’ sweeping statement, that mask wearers did not volunteer, has as much truth behind it as her belief that masks are ineffective.

TwoWolves

I refuse to wear facemasks - I said I wouldn't wear one, and I meant it. Just do not believe they are in any way effective and that they were only ever made mandatory to get people back into the shops. I'm shocked at how gullible people are in thinking they work. I'm don't think I'm invincible - I know I can catch covid as well as anybody else - by contact, rather than by not wearing a mask. Oh, and before you call me selfish, I volunteered 3 times to take part in vaccine trials for covid (but wasn't contacted in the end). Have any of you mask lovers done the same?

I am on a vaccine trial and when I attend the hospital it is mandatory to wear a face mask over both your nose and mouth. Maybe when you completed the questionnaire to see if you would be a suitable candidate you indicated that you refused to wear a face mask, could that be a reason why you were not contacted.

Callistemon what I really wanted to say definitely was full of swear words. I can’t bear that kind of stupidity !

suelld - have you tried the full-face clear masks? I too wear glasses and found these work well, in fact I don't even know I am wearing the mask. I bought mine from Poundland for £2.00.
I too would like to remonstrate with the maskless people but worried if they got violent so whinge quietly under my breath. I do find coughing suddenly when they come near me can be effective.

I don't have the energy to be angry with 'rule-breakers' and has been said many times on here, people will suit themselves. Family circumstances sometimes have to take precedence. Common sense can be more important than a rule book. I don't think it's that people do not understand, but more likely people interpret things to fit them, their lifestyle, their current needs. There will always be exceptions to the rule, emergencies that do require a decision on the spot. And there will always be that selfish minority that don't give a damn.

My better half is grieving for one of his oldest friends who had a potentially-life-saving operation cancelled - there were no guarantees, but without the op his fate was sealed and he died a few weeks ago. He wishes he'd gone to see his friend, feels guilty, has regrets - but he didn't want to put his friend at risk, or me, or himself, so knows he did the right thing even though it feels horrible.

Another point I would make, back along the common sense line, is that just because something is a 'rule' or you are 'exempt' doesn't mean a licence to do as you please...My health issues would render me exempt from wearing a mask and admittedly I rarely leave the house anyway, but my better half supplied me with a few in case I need to open the door, take in parcels etc. The one time I went into a shop I chose to wear a mask - for my own protection and that of others...I figured if I started to have breathing difficulties I had my inhalers handy and am capable of asking him to help me leave the shop. I have severe breathing problems yet I coped with the mask - it was a little harder to breathe but not impossible...my point being if I coped others could too!

I fear this virus will be with us for a long time yet as human nature gives it plenty of scope to spread and continue infecting more people. Certain events change the world and the way we live - world wars, days like 9/11 and now pandemics...I think we will have to get used to a new way of living and each be responsible for protecting ourselves, our loved ones, and the wider population.

if you are not mask wearing then Stay OUT of the shops!

I agree with you Maybee There is no way covid should be rampant a year later. Its purely because in the beginning the borders were not closed and Boris didnt advise masks. If we closed the borders, had a lockdown, wore masks from the start and could only go in a shop if you passed a temperature check- then we would not be in this state.

In China they have facial recognition software (there is CCTV everywhere) and that can also detect someone with a high temperature. That is another way they managed to contain it. I remember watching footage a year ago of a family who had one member with covid and their whole tower block was barricaded in. It must have been scary for them and their whole tower block. People without masks were arrested and anyone with a temperature who was detected on the facial recognition cameras was tracked down and forced to isolate. That's why China was more efficient at containing it (once the cat was out of the bag) but unfortunately they didn't admit the problem to the rest of the world soon enough.

I can't believe we are still living with this a year later....

People were still travelling here from China ages after everyone knew about the virus. Why the borders weren’t closed is beyond me.

Its over a year now since covid was first discovered in (17th November) in Wuhan but because they hushed it up for over a month, people travelled to Britain and over the globe, spreading it. So, it was in Britain by last Christmas undetected- and here we are with it a year later still not contained because our country has not enforced hygiene measures and mandatory temperature checks like the Asian countries.

Well, Thailand and China and other places where masks were mandatory right from the start have gone back to normal and lost way less people than we in England and those in America have. They didn't have the nutters who think they know best there either because those kind of rebels just get shot.

I've been wearing a mask since february and been laughed at for it. My husband has a serious and rare disease so I'm not taking any chances. There's probably a good chance they filter out a lot of germs as well as covid. For example, if you used to sneeze, you used to sneeze in your hand as you'd been brought up to do. Then you'd use that same hand to handle goods in the shops and pay. Now, we sneeze inside the mask and it's made me realise how much more hygenic it is, not just for covid.

I like the triple fabric ones you can get that are fitted, but you can sew a pipe cleaner into the nose if you don't want to get steamed up glasses and don't want to sew the whole thing. I get mine from Redbubble because they have such a brilliant choice of designs.

TwoWolves

There's a saying:-

Man makes plans - God laughs

Let's adapt it a bit:-

People wear facemasks - Coronavirus laughs

It's not going to be stopped by a scrap of material.

I hope I'm around when, in a few years, and this is all over, the government admits that facemasks never worked or at least had only a very limited effect.

At the start of the pandemic it was true that our government and even the WHO said that masks were not effective. But at that stage very little was known about the virus and how it spread. As more research has been done and we know that the virus is predominantly spread through airborne particles that mask wearing is now advised.

Your views are now outdated and among many other new findings, mask wearing is considered beneficial.

Should you end up in hospital, will you refuse to take any of the drugs they now offer to alleviate the worst of the symptoms or do you disparage those as well?

Im so sorry for your loss Poshpaws Im sorry I just dont have adequate words of condolence but I feel for you,

Lucca

GrannyRose15

Lucca
What a pity they don't ban you for being rude in Italian.

Happy to take that risk in order to say what I think. Do you have some facts you like to share ? Or do you just want to opt out of any responsibility for trying to keep yourself and others safe, like two wolves ??

Oh goodness, I thought it was going to be full of juicy swear words.

Unfortunately I can believe it!

June rose - exactly !

I feel that if wearing masks stops just a few people getting this virus it's worth it. After all no one really knows but I feel it's inconsiderate and somewhat arrogant to think you shouldn't have to show respect and consideration for those who do wear a mask even if you don't think it works.

Poshpaws sorry mistyped.

GrannyRose15 and two wolves. Have you read Poshoaws post ?

GrannyRose15

Lucca
What a pity they don't ban you for being rude in Italian.

Happy to take that risk in order to say what I think. Do you have some facts you like to share ? Or do you just want to opt out of any responsibility for trying to keep yourself and others safe, like two wolves ??

I'm with bluebelle on this. I try to take a common sense approach. I do see my family (for childcare mostly) and go to work two days a week, my husband works every day and has done throughout. That's it, that's been it all year. I wear a facemask when in shops etc. I wash hands (as I always have done). I haven't been out for a meal this year and I haven't been on holiday or even for days out. We've barely seen anyone else. So that's been 2020 for us and I think we've been lucky as we've all been able to carry on working.

We stay in the house, work from home and get shopping delivered. Don’t see any friends or family apart from over facetime We don’t particularly worry what anyone else does as we are safe. We are fortunate to have a garden to walk around for fresh air and exercise . We are aged early 60’s. Yes it’s boring.

I am so sorry for your loss poshpaws
We recently lost a good friend, god-father to our children, and father and husband to his son and wife who are also dear friends. Your pain on losing your husband must be terrible. x

suelld - I am sight impaired and getting around without specs is impossible for me, and any extra loss of vision due to them misting makes life very difficult.
The trick is to find a mask that can be won so that the material sits well up the nose and the specs sit upon the material. I got mine from ebay, though I had to modify some by making the material a little lower on the cheeks so that when I push the nose part to where I need it the rest of the mask is not right up to my eyes. Etsy have all sorts of people making them as well.
A nose strip that makes the mask sit snuggly around the nose also helps. Many have them built in but if not you can buy a pack of 10 for about £2.50 on ebay and easily sew then in yourself.

There have been numerous studies which show that masks do confer a benefit. This was admittedly undermined by claims that a Danish study showed no benefit. However, scientists have taken pains to re-examine the Danish data and the worst that can be said is that, as yet, the evidence is not fully robust in favour of masks, however it is mounting.

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

I hope I'm around when, in a few years, and this is all over, the government admits that facemasks never worked or at least had only a very limited effect

So TwoWolves even if it was only a very limited effect it’s still too much hardship for you to wear one? Even though it’s to protect others around you? You appear to be saying your fellow human beings don’t matter as long as you are comfortable.

Please be considerate to the staff if you are unfortunate enough to end up in hospital for any reason. When the nurses and doctors are at your bedside or standing over you in the operating theatre tell them to remove their masks and have a breather as there is no need to wear them.