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Oxford Vaccine approved

(258 Posts)
rosie1959 Wed 30-Dec-20 07:02:58

Some good news for a change

MissAdventure Tue 05-Jan-21 21:52:07

I totally agree with whitewave, and have done since the start of it all.

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Jan-21 21:48:07

I don't disagree in principle WWM, but what you are calling a gamble I am calling a risk. It's my opinion we need to live with this level of risk.
I understand that the mixing thing is a bit of a red herring and that PHE have said this is not the plan and will only be used in extremis.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Jan-21 21:18:01

I am of the opinion that there are a number of gambles here. Chief amongst them is the principle to provide a degree of immunity for as many individuals as possible, and the suggestion that the vaccine which are based on different technologies can be mixed.

I frankly see this as a huge gamble and a gamble without a shred of data to back it, particularly the mixing.

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Jan-21 20:24:38

Whitty

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Jan-21 20:24:08

Witty and the others do know the risk, you don't need to have all the results of every trial to work out risk. That's what risk analysis is all about.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Jan-21 20:14:39

Whitty does not know the risk because he has no data on which to back his statement.

I am not against the idea of a delayed booster, but I am against a delayed booster without the appropriate trials.

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Jan-21 19:55:04

Chris Whitty explaining about balance of risk in the real world.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55553302

Germany and Denmark considering it as well.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/04/germany-denmark-second-dose-covid-vaccine

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Jan-21 19:02:46

CNN interviewing a scientist over the suggestion in USA that the vaccine be spread over as many people as possible just as it is being done here (although the U.K. was not mentioned)

He like Fauci is absolutely against it, saying that immunity cannot be guaranteed after say 3 weeks and the subsequent booster won’t be able to do its job.

I’m not at all happy about the U.K. policy.

MayBee70 Mon 04-Jan-21 18:31:55

Anyone see Betty Boothroyd on Sky News just now. Absolutely furious that she won’t be getting her second vaccine.

MissAdventure Mon 04-Jan-21 17:02:35

Errr... wibble, oh um... erm... wibble.... err....

Must go and do my erm... hair! Yes, hair... wibble, um..

Important appointment at 8pm... wibble.... grin

Greeneyedgirl Mon 04-Jan-21 12:31:48

MissA are you really BJ? Your cover is blown grin

Greeneyedgirl Mon 04-Jan-21 12:29:13

Which site please growstuff?

Blinko Mon 04-Jan-21 11:59:58

growstuff

Really? I looked on that site which estimates when you'll be vaccinated. Originally, I was March/April. Now I'm May/June.

Would that be the first dose, or the complete two dose package, I wonder?

growstuff Mon 04-Jan-21 11:55:45

Really? I looked on that site which estimates when you'll be vaccinated. Originally, I was March/April. Now I'm May/June.

MissAdventure Mon 04-Jan-21 11:31:55

Tens of millions will be vaccinated by April. confused

Elegran Mon 04-Jan-21 11:11:49

Not so many batches to test in the Pfizer one?

mokryna Mon 04-Jan-21 10:56:15

Why is it slow for the Oxford vaccine to be distributed, we are told because each batch has to be tested, isn’t this being done with the other one?

Elegran Mon 04-Jan-21 10:45:44

True, the facts have been shown to be far worse than politicians have represented them.

Genty Mon 04-Jan-21 08:27:44

MayBee70

But Johnson said months ago that we’d have massive amounts of the Oxford vaccine ready to roll by the end of the year didn’t he?

Boris schpeels a lot of rubbish, he tells us what he thinks we want to hear just to appease us like the rest of the politicians! Weve all been lied to re Covid by the lot of them! angry

MayBee70 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:22:26

But Johnson said months ago that we’d have massive amounts of the Oxford vaccine ready to roll by the end of the year didn’t he?

biba70 Sun 03-Jan-21 17:38:53

So yes, great news. First complete the Astra Zeneca vaccination with two doses as per scientific instructions- then go on at speed with Oxford vaccine. Don't mess around.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 17:35:35

MayBee70

One of the best things about the Oxford vaccine up is that many countries are manufacturing their own eg India.

That is because it is based on a traditional form of technology.

Mimi22 Sun 03-Jan-21 17:33:57

Hi Genty, have you read The Invisible Rainbow - A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur Firstenberg? It's a fascinating read.

MayBee70 Fri 01-Jan-21 18:41:19

One of the best things about the Oxford vaccine up is that many countries are manufacturing their own eg India.

growstuff Fri 01-Jan-21 18:22:03

It's not surprising. AstraZeneca, which is an British/Swedish company and has factories in other countries, is responsible for production.