Oxford Vaccine approved

I'm trying very hard to be optimistic, especially as it's a New Year, but the same thought crossed my mind. It takes world beating talent to turn a success into a failure.

growstuff

I could be wrong, but I don't think it can change its mind. I have a horrible feeling the reason is that there aren't enough doses to give everybody two. The government was keen to be seen to give "partial" protection to more people and, therefore, boosting the headline figure.

No wonder Pfizer wanted the UK government to take on the financial liability for failure. The Pfizer vaccine was licensed on the condition it was given twice at 21 day intervals.

Is there anything they can bloody do without cocking it up?

I could be wrong, but I don't think it can change its mind. I have a horrible feeling the reason is that there aren't enough doses to give everybody two. The government was keen to be seen to give "partial" protection to more people and, therefore, boosting the headline figure.

No wonder Pfizer wanted the UK government to take on the financial liability for failure. The Pfizer vaccine was licensed on the condition it was given twice at 21 day intervals.

I fervently hope that the government changes its mind on the extended interlude between the Pfizer vaccine.

Pfizer has made it crystal clear that immunity is gone after 3 weeks and before the second booster.

LJP1

Thank you everyone for your enthusiasm . It is so gratifying to know that the news is being received so happily.

I have been on the trial and as a lifelong Biologist, I have followed the progress of vaccines with everything crossed and I can assure you that all the processes I have been involved with have been carried out in an exemplary manner.

I have had no soreness or any other reaction and been impressed by the organisation and management of the whole process.

I wish you all luck with your journeys to immunity and progress to the safer year ahead.

Enjoy!

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Thank you everyone for your enthusiasm . It is so gratifying to know that the news is being received so happily.

I have been on the trial and as a lifelong Biologist, I have followed the progress of vaccines with everything crossed and I can assure you that all the processes I have been involved with have been carried out in an exemplary manner.

I have had no soreness or any other reaction and been impressed by the organisation and management of the whole process.

I wish you all luck with your journeys to immunity and progress to the safer year ahead.

Enjoy!

should read "couldn't" (not could)

Elegran

There is a medical research report on the net entitled "Mechanisms of over-activated innate immune system regulation in autoimmune and neurodegenerative disorders" but that is in people who ALREADY have autoimmune and neurodegenerative disorders - which they would know about, as they would have had evidence of them already, very clearly. If you don't have one of those disorders, you are not likely to suddenly develop it.

That's what my Google searching came up with too. I admit I'm by no means an expert on the subject, but it does seem to me that Yogagirl's source is wrong. I could find one single case of its having happened with Covid vaccines.

The reason for people waiting 4 weeks after testing positive for Covid is explained on page 11 of the Patient Group Directive attached. This is the guidance for health professionals. www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/12/C0956-Patient-Group-Direction-for-COVID-19-mRNA-vaccine-BNT162b2-Pfizer-BioNTech-11-December-2020.pdf

Having a second vaccine shot would have had the same effect, too, if it was a real thing.

So what if you had caught CoVid and then came into contact with another case of it, so caught it twice? If what Yogagirl has heard (Where? Who?) is true, then a whole load of people should be dropping like flies with super-allergies because their immune systems had had TWO wake-up calls to be ready to fight it off.

They don't seem to be doing so, we would have heard all about it in the media, just the kind of thing they'd be filling the front page with. Sounds like scaremongering or fake news, to me.

There is a medical research report on the net entitled "Mechanisms of over-activated innate immune system regulation in autoimmune and neurodegenerative disorders" but that is in people who ALREADY have autoimmune and neurodegenerative disorders - which they would know about, as they would have had evidence of them already, very clearly. If you don't have one of those disorders, you are not likely to suddenly develop it.

Yogagirl

Genty

Weve all been told that you could have covid without showing any symproms of the virus, on the NHS website it states;

"If you've recently tested positive for coronavirus – even if you have no symptoms – you should wait until 4 weeks after the date you were tested before getting the vaccine."

Its pretty clear that there should be a 4 week wait after testing positive.If you unknowingly have covid with no symptoms and are vaccinated, whats going to happen, is the vaccine still going to work? what will the side effects be?

I've heard your body would have an over reaction, an immune hyper activisation response.

Who said that? Where did you hear it? Was it reported in the trial results?

By the way, what is an immune hyper activisation response?

Yogagirl

Genty

Galaxy

Thalidomide wasnt a vaccine.

I stand corrected on that one, I did delete but couldnt have done it properly ooops!

But still something the doctors said to put into our body to make you better, I remember well the results!

Thalidomide was half a century ago - things have moved on and improved.

I wonder if people would still be wary of having the vaccine if the pandemic was actually Ebola? We’re lucky (I use the word loosely) that we’ve had a pandemic with a virus that has a relatively low death rate. If the people dying in hospitals were dying of Ebola people would be far more careful about catching it. And we only have the vaccine for covid because the scientists were working on treatment for Zika and Ebola.

Genty

Weve all been told that you could have covid without showing any symproms of the virus, on the NHS website it states;

"If you've recently tested positive for coronavirus – even if you have no symptoms – you should wait until 4 weeks after the date you were tested before getting the vaccine."

Its pretty clear that there should be a 4 week wait after testing positive.If you unknowingly have covid with no symptoms and are vaccinated, whats going to happen, is the vaccine still going to work? what will the side effects be?

I've heard your body would have an over reaction, an immune hyper activisation response.

Genty

Galaxy

Thalidomide wasnt a vaccine.

I stand corrected on that one, I did delete but couldnt have done it properly ooops!

But still something the doctors said to put into our body to make you better, I remember well the results!

I was amazed at the speed at which our nurses did flu vaccine. I think it was one every 4 minutes but they could have done it every three minutes.

Mind you, given the circumstances I shan’t be hanging around in the surgery

We are made of tougher stuff clearly down here in the South.

Good morning, check name and birthday, quick prick with needle, thank you and good bye

And off we go walking home

I have always had to sit for five minutes after receiving the flu vaccine, and any other vaccine.

Callistemon

We're supposed to sit for 15 minutes after having the flu vaccine (indeed any vaccine) to make sure you don't have an allergic reaction, but it didn't happen last time I had one.

I’ve never been required to sit for 15 minutes?.

Apart from this year having to distance, receiving the flu vaccine was always like a factory line. In out, In out.

We're supposed to sit for 15 minutes after having the flu vaccine (indeed any vaccine) to make sure you don't have an allergic reaction, but it didn't happen last time I had one.

I’m wondering, with the Pfizer vaccine, people have to be monitored for 10/15 minutes afterwards, I’m assuming in case of an anaphylactic reaction, as happened to two people. Does anyone know if the Oxford one will require the same? if not, drive through vaccination would speed the process up, obviously plan b for those who don’t drive.

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It was an expletive, I was not damning Van-Tam!